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Post by hector on Jun 8, 2005 2:01:27 GMT
Elliot, could you give some info on this?
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Post by Elliot Kane on Jun 8, 2005 2:04:39 GMT
Love to Hec... If I had the faintest idea what you were talking about... Is this a recent thing? What does it concern? I need a few details at least  |
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Post by hector on Jun 8, 2005 2:12:00 GMT
Supposedly, it's a document released by the Sunday Times a few days ago regarding Bush and Blair's intent of going to war one year before the invasion and when they were supposedly still 'weighting their options'
Not anything really new, but the document itself is.
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Post by Elliot Kane on Jun 8, 2005 2:17:02 GMT
Oh, that thing...
Yeah, that's just proof of what everyone knew anyway - that Blair promised Bush that when the US invaded Iraq (An invasion never in any doubt right from the build up, let's be honest) that Britain would be right there with him.
Blair lied to Parliament and the British people, saying it was in doubt whether or not Britain would support the US in an invasion. But Blair as PM has the right to unilaterally commit Britain to war, and he had already done so.
I think the evidence being produced resulted in a general shrugging of shoulders over here. We all knew Blair lied about every aspect of the war anyway.
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Post by Terrordar on Jun 8, 2005 3:28:38 GMT
Yet for some reason, people still think ol' W is honest....
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Post by hector on Jun 8, 2005 3:32:31 GMT
Has the veracity of the document itself been verfified, E?
But yeah, it is merely another proof about the lying c*********s.
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Post by Elliot Kane on Jun 8, 2005 3:36:05 GMT
Yeah, it's about 99% certain it's genuine, Hec.
Putting it mildly, the opposition weren't amused - and neither were most of Blair's own party. Why any of them should have been at all surprised is a mystery...
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Post by Terrordar on Jun 8, 2005 3:45:29 GMT
If anything, I hope it just contributes to him getting knocked down from Prime Iminster.
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Post by Dark Phoenix Rising on Jun 8, 2005 9:18:07 GMT
What suprised them is probably the fact that the memo was released, rather than what it contained.
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Post by Terrordar on Jun 8, 2005 9:28:14 GMT
I agree, the "liberal" media (which by Liberal, I mean savagely conservative) in America would have covered it up, but this was Britian, and they are far more ruthless papers to all. From celebrities to their monarchs, it don't matter who you are, the british Press will hound you till the day you die  |
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Post by ss on Jun 9, 2005 20:48:33 GMT
Haven't read it, heard about it, don't trust politians, and yes, the british press is like a pit bull, interesting, I lived there "E" for 4.5 years, Newquay, Cornwall and loved it, my daughter was born in Hayle, Cornwall and if people think the British are tough, they ought to get to know the Cornishmen, great pubs and darts!!!
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Post by Elliot Kane on Jun 9, 2005 20:53:40 GMT
ss... I don't doubt it for an instant 'Cerneu' is still pretty much considered a separate country by Cornishmen, IIRC, even after all this time. I admit to being in awe of that level of stubborness |
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Post by tragic on Jun 10, 2005 15:07:50 GMT
And yet for all of blairs"closelness" with the US...he still won the election...i voted for the liberal democrats myself...and i think i will for a long time to come.
I dont trust the tories....i ddnt mind so much that they focused on imigration but i did mind that they faled in peoples minds to distingish migrants from the ethnic minoroties...becuase im english/indian...it bothers me sightly.
The memo is not that surprising but will it do any damage???...Blair has survived everything so far...which i find a bit ridiculus...if this was maybe 20 years ago...surely Bliar would have been forced to resign..??
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Post by Elliot Kane on Jun 10, 2005 15:41:56 GMT
They don't call him 'Teflon Tony' for nothing, that's for sure...
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Post by Terrordar on Jun 12, 2005 21:15:11 GMT
I don't trust the Canadian Tories either, aka, the conservative party of canada...
But regardless, this memo means nothing down, the ADministration in the US has the public not carign anymore, by constantly saying-
"Its not about the past, its about the future", basically, them trying to write off anything and everything people say about why the war started. Its stupid I know, but its what's happening.
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Post by Elliot Kane on Jun 19, 2005 7:19:00 GMT
A lot more details on the Downing Street memos can be found here, including qite a few things I didn't know. Those things are dynamite, it seems And the original Sunday Times Article |
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Post by Elliot Kane on Jun 19, 2005 7:50:40 GMT
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Post by Terrordar on Jun 19, 2005 8:57:02 GMT
The downing street memo is finally starting ot make an impact in the US.
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Post by hector on Jun 19, 2005 9:17:03 GMT
Yeah, but wait until it's brushed aside by the Liberal Media™
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Post by Elliot Kane on Jun 19, 2005 13:20:15 GMT
The US media always strikes me more as a slave of the state than anything else. When it can be seriously suggested that "To criticise the President in a time of war is unpatriotic" (I forget who said it, but it's a genuine quote) without all sides of the media in a given country not laughing their heads off - you have a very serious problem.
The job of the media is to inform the people, not play kiss up to the head of state, for whatever reason. Any time the media forgets that, the country in question no longer has a free press, IMO.
Yes, there will always be differences of opinion between members of the press, and they will each put the side they believe to be true - but then the people of a country have a choice of who to trust, who to believe - or to winnow through as many differing voices as they care to in search of the truth.
But a country-wide bias across all sections of the media is just not healthy.
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