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Post by Elliot Kane on Jun 14, 2005 1:16:15 GMT
Accusations cannot spell guilt, TD.
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Post by hector on Jun 14, 2005 1:22:37 GMT
What was the defense's strategy?
Another victory of the Chewbacca defense?
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Post by ptsteelers on Jun 14, 2005 8:59:34 GMT
Accusations cannot spell guilt, TD. No, but it can spell "Cuss at a icon". and while that is not grammatically correct ... that is what I shall be doing all day.
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Post by Terrordar on Jun 14, 2005 9:19:05 GMT
Enough accusations can EK.
The mothers aren't exactly innocent, but Jackson is a sick twisted son of a [Censored], who entirely focuses on youth and children. I have no doubt he molests children.
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Post by Elliot Kane on Jun 14, 2005 11:38:55 GMT
TD...
MJ is seriously in need of help, and he is a very mixed up individual. In and of itself, that does not make him a paedophile.
He might be, sure. I don't know. But according to the jury in a press conference after the trial, the witnesses for the accused were unreliable and untrustworthy and the charges unproven. That was unanimous, and they saw ALL the evidence. Far more than anyone who is merely following the case in the news.
So personally, I am prepared to suspend judgement.
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Post by Terrordar on Jun 14, 2005 19:18:45 GMT
EK, did you hear what the jury actually said?
Some said they don't think he hasn't molested children, but they just were not convinced in this instance. Some of the jurors think he does molest children!
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Post by Elliot Kane on Jun 14, 2005 21:37:50 GMT
Some of them believe that he molested other children - but not THIS child. As all their evidence concerns this child, it is the sole area in which they can claim expertise, don't you think?
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Post by Shan on Jun 14, 2005 21:46:46 GMT
This is my opinion and my opinion alone. I have not read or studied anything about the case.. From what I have heard though I put responsibility on both parties, the parents and MJ. Parents for letting their child be alone with a man like Jackson. As a parent myself, I do not think alot of parents take their role as parents serious enough. To many of them are leaving it up to the child to decide for themselves because they don't want the responsibility of being the parent. As for Jackson, he may or may not be guilty ( I will not judge since I can not prove either way). What I will say though is that any respectable man would not have put himself in the position he did in the first place. He had no right inviting kids over for a sleep over unless they were accompanied by their parents, and even then I am not sure if I would go for even that. Shan
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Post by ss on Jun 15, 2005 12:36:11 GMT
If it walks like a duck (not daffy of course) talks like a duck, quacks like a duck, its probable an eagle? No, I think not. Its a perverted person who in conjunction with a preverted parent trying to fawn to the whatever crowd they MJ belongs to, have commited a great travesty of justice and common decency." Nuke'em till they glow".
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Post by Glance A'Lot on Jun 17, 2005 13:41:05 GMT
But the fact remains that you are innocent until PROVEN guilty - and while I concede that that this may be the letter of the law and not justice (German has two separate words for that, but I can't put it in English adequately) - I am still happy to live in a society where that principle is upheld.
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Post by Dark Phoenix Rising on Jun 17, 2005 15:14:22 GMT
A 12 year old, managed to describe Michael Jackson's body, in detail, and police confirmed it. Including Jackson's penis. I'd like you to find me a 12 year old that grew up with his father that couldn't describe his father's penis. All that proves is that MJ was naked in front of the child, or the child saw a photo of him naked, not that anything happened. I personally think that MJ is innocent of pedophilia, but not necessarily innocent of being an irrisponsable adult.
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Post by Terrordar on Jun 17, 2005 17:19:57 GMT
Michael Jackson ISN'T this kid's father. And I'll have you know, I couldn't describe my father's ding dong, I never saw it, even when I was 12, so do I count?
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Post by Dark Phoenix Rising on Jun 17, 2005 17:33:29 GMT
hmm, aye you do count, I thought that situations like getting changed with your father at the swimming pool would have happened to everyone when they were very young.
I appear to have been mistaken.
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Post by BJC on Jun 17, 2005 17:37:52 GMT
Peter's right. Nobody really knows wheather hes guilty or not, thats between him and the kid.....which the boy doesnt show much promise towards honesty....none of the family does. Then again, being found innocent is different then being PROVEN innocent.
But now that hes leaving the country, theres not much hope to find out for sure.
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Post by Elliot Kane on Jun 17, 2005 17:44:09 GMT
I don't think we can ever know for sure anyway. Could Michael Jackson ever get a fair trial, without bias for or against him on the parts of the jurors anyway? He is one of the best known people on the planet, and most people are either fans or think he is a deeply disturbed individual - or both.
And his looks certainly count against him.
Personally, I don't know whether he is guilty or not, in this case or in any other. But I would certainly consider it 'unproven' in this case.
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Post by BJC on Jun 17, 2005 17:48:43 GMT
I don't think we can ever know for sure anyway. Could Michael Jackson ever get a fair trial, without bias for or against him on the parts of the jurors anyway? He is one of the best known people on the planet, and most people are either fans or think he is a deeply disturbed individual - or both. And his looks certainly count against him. Personally, I don't know whether he is guilty or not, in this case or in any other. But I would certainly consider it 'unproven' in this case. True, and supposedly, with the jurrors not getting all the evidence....that wont help much. Im not a fan of Michael Jackson, but on a personal note, I do feel for him. Though Im not sure if hes guilty or innocent the only thing people can hope for is someone admitting something...
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