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Post by kilgoretrout on Oct 3, 2009 4:13:23 GMT
There is a sword , thus a word , thus a dagger cloaked. There is no tomorrow , no yesterday , no five minutes ago. There was once a dream told to me by someone close. The narrative told of day and night , black and white , wrong and right.
At once I could see , these things told were no more than checks on a board. Symbols for a game. Always great fires and rains and winds , more words , abstractions , symbols for emotions , descriptions for ideas.
There is but the NOW. What is Now? ...five minutes until tomorrow, always forever to go.
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Post by ss on Oct 4, 2009 3:45:39 GMT
I told you to quit smokin that stuff KT... ;D
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Post by kilgoretrout on Oct 4, 2009 10:25:38 GMT
ah if only , I get uranalysis done at any time for work.... This post of mine is rather odd though not entirely without point.
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Post by Elliot Kane on Oct 4, 2009 10:45:11 GMT
Reminds me a little of Omar Khayyam, honestly. I keep thinking I should recognise it from somewhere.
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Post by kilgoretrout on Oct 4, 2009 20:07:41 GMT
Well E , I just made it up but I will look up the dude you mentioned.
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Post by Elliot Kane on Oct 4, 2009 23:32:22 GMT
I recommend the translation by Edward Fitzgerald. Extremely beautiful.
Unless your Ancient Persian is better than mine, when you might prefer the original ;D
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Post by Dark Phoenix Rising on Oct 5, 2009 9:24:37 GMT
Reminds me of a certain painting of a pipe with the words "This is not a pipe" below it.
Thought experiment - Name all the things that a computer is.
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Post by Elliot Kane on Oct 5, 2009 9:47:29 GMT
Molecules  |
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Post by killerzzz on Oct 18, 2009 5:02:10 GMT
There is a sword , thus a word , thus a dagger cloaked. There is no tomorrow , no yesterday , no five minutes ago. There was once a dream told to me by someone close. The narrative told of day and night , black and white , wrong and right. At once I could see , these things told were no more than checks on a board. Symbols for a game. Always great fires and rains and winds , more words , abstractions , symbols for emotions , descriptions for ideas. There is but the NOW. What is Now? ...five minutes until tomorrow, always forever to go. I can vibe with this. Actually it reminds me of my Abstract Souls poem a bit. Different aims, but they touch on similar issues. Really well put, kilgore. Killerzzz |
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Post by kilgoretrout on Oct 18, 2009 10:22:57 GMT
Hey , thanks Killerzzz |
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Post by kilgoretrout on Nov 17, 2009 1:07:01 GMT
Why I think the bible is not adequate to know God. On words :
Words , simply symbols , while expressing in small part an actual experience , they really only diminish it.
Many spend much time preaching of the words , rather than living the spirit.
"God is love" ...
Love being an emotion cannot really be measured , or fitfully expressed to those who have not the experience first hand. No amount of Lovely words would ever describe or measure love.
The knowledge of Love must come from personal experience.
The Knowledge of God must come from personal experience.
The second hand words of none will ever describe either , they will only serve to confuse.
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Post by ss on Nov 17, 2009 3:29:47 GMT
Why I think the bible is not adequate to know God. On words : Words , simply symbols , while expressing in small part an actual experience , they really only diminish it. Many spend much time preaching of the words , rather than living the spirit. "God is love" ... Love being an emotion cannot really be measured , or fitfully expressed to those who have not the experience first hand. No amount of Lovely words would ever describe or measure love. The knowledge of Love must come from personal experience. The Knowledge of God must come from personal experience. The second hand words of none will ever describe either , they will only serve to confuse. God is love.... Funny that you should quote from 1 John 4 which was written to refute Gnosticism...  God is love...would not that be a "second hand quote".?? I submit that you have no knowledge about God at all OTHER than the Scriptures...but to say God is love as if that is all He is surely misses a lot.. 1 John 4:1-3 Beloved, (Christian) believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. Hereby know ye the Spirit of God; Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God. And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of anti-christ.... vrs 8..He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love. vrs 15..Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God. That is how you gain the knowledge of God.....through the Scripture.... You can't just hope some warm and squiggly feeling or emotion will convince you that you happen to know God... You CANNOT know God without personally knowing His Son But...God is also a God of WRATH...if you DON'T know His Son. Ephesians 5:6 - Let no man deceive you with VAIN WORDS; for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. In John 5..setting is vrs 18...Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, MAKING HIMSELF EQUAL WITH GOD. So Jesus had a long discourse with them, but by vrs 39,40 he told them -- "Search the scriptures; (OT..NT had not yet been written) for in them (the scriptures) ye think ye have eternal life; and they(the scriptures) are they which testify of me. And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life." Words seem to be how God has ordained that the system works "For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?" Romans 10:13,14 and this after vrs 9 "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved." Just how would one know any of that without the Bible??? |
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Post by kilgoretrout on Nov 17, 2009 10:52:10 GMT
Since it is so very early , I will just say for now, I was sure this would fish you out , kilgore trout is a fisher of men ...
God is love goes far back beyond the bible. Second hand quote it is , and it is very poor in discription. If you know not God nor Love , it might be the most perplexing statement ever.
I have never viewed Jesus as God, it doesn't work for me, Jesus was a man. Knowing that puts all of my views into perspective.
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Post by Elliot Kane on Nov 17, 2009 11:52:45 GMT
If there really are deities, then any book we know of is one thing only in getting to know/understand/comprehend them: a very basic beginning. On that, I think we might all agree |
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Post by ss on Nov 18, 2009 2:30:51 GMT
Since it is so very early , I will just say for now, I was sure this would fish you out , kilgore trout is a fisher of men ... God is love goes far back beyond the bible. Second hand quote it is , and it is very poor in discription. If you know not God nor Love , it might be the most perplexing statement ever. I have never viewed Jesus as God, it doesn't work for me, Jesus was a man. Knowing that puts all of my views into perspective. Fished me out? now that is perplexing to me...I responded to a post....I was never NOT out..?? But.....I never said I know not God nor love...in fact I know them both....personally.... And the most important thing is this.. The fact that you never viewed Jesus as God has no bearing whatsoever on whether or not He really is... And one thing is perfectly clear...without controversy...that the Bible absolutely declares Jesus to be God.... I figure that is why you state that the bible is not adequate to know God....it allows you to justify yourself and what you WANT to believe if you simply deny anything that may contradict it. After all, I can't prove it now can I.?? Most all offshoots (cults) always start the same way and for the same reason....you can probably find a good following and be happy in that state... What are you going to call your religion....It can't be associated with Christianity being that Christians must believe that Jesus is God. Seeing that Jesus was a "fisherman" maybe you could hitch-hike on that... ;D |
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Post by Glance A'Lot on Nov 18, 2009 12:37:54 GMT
Seeing that Jesus was a "fisherman" ...
I was under the delusion that Jesus learned the trade of his 'father' Joseph, namely carpenter - wasn't Peter the Fisherman?
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Post by janggut on Nov 18, 2009 13:42:43 GMT
maybe he meant fisher of men.
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Post by ss on Nov 18, 2009 21:55:03 GMT
Seeing that Jesus was a "fisherman" ... I was under the delusion that Jesus learned the trade of his 'father' Joseph, namely carpenter - wasn't Peter the Fisherman? Granted Jesus was a carpenter by trade and Peter (among others) were fishermen by trade. Jang is right, I meant Jesus was the ultimate fisher of men. He told Peter, follow me and I will make you fishers of men.. Plus, my reason was addressing that you had "fished me out"... ;D |
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Post by kilgoretrout on Nov 18, 2009 22:18:44 GMT
ss, I was just being facetious with the fish comments regarding the irony of symbolism. I could not have a religion because I believe that knowledge of God is personal , thus words are inadequate to express that , as with love as well. I am associated with Christianity (very loosely) in some way as I believe Jesus was a prophet and I am an aspirant to the message of LOVE , Compassion , Kindness , Non Judgment . This human message is what is relevant to me. I think that eternal rewards or eternal damnation are very selfish reasons for one to follow or believe in something.
Since I am not interested in the selfish pursuits of eternal life/rewards , or the fear associated with hell or the boogie man Satan , my goals and aims are purely for the betterment of humanity and life on earth.
I also must say that I am not a nihilist either for I believe that we are like blood cells in the body of God.
As we live we are doing the work of God , our lives are spent circulating within the spirit /body of God , and when we die we return to the creators heart to be re oxygenated. Just beyond our perception is perfection , what appears to be conflict is only human conflict , all was always right with creation , union balance rhythm and perfection.
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Post by kilgoretrout on Nov 18, 2009 22:26:55 GMT
Also ss , Jesus , if he were not a man , his death is meaningless , for a God to die a mortal death is no feat , not to mention all that have died horrible deaths in the name of Love or Justice or god or Humanity and the many more that will.
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