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Post by SPS on Feb 18, 2010 4:04:58 GMT
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Post by The Sonar Chicken on Feb 18, 2010 6:32:55 GMT
Hmmm... bad for the citizens, good for power-hungry seekers.  |
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Post by Elliot Kane on Feb 18, 2010 7:36:40 GMT
They already pretty much buy Presidents into office with the way campaign funding works, so I guess this is just another step along the same route. Still a very sad day for Americans, though  |
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Post by rockergrl on Feb 18, 2010 15:32:48 GMT
They already pretty much buy Presidents into office with the way campaign funding works, so I guess this is just another step along the same route. Still a very sad day for Americans, though True I don't know if you know Joan Jett's song Riddles but that's how I feel about politics. |
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Post by Flix on Feb 18, 2010 17:34:10 GMT
They could already do this. Now the spending is simply unlimited. All politics are already bought out by lobbyists anyways.
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Post by ss on Feb 18, 2010 23:00:28 GMT
They could already do this. Now the spending is simply unlimited. All politics are already bought out by lobbyists anyways. Very true Flix....I read that some 80 percent believe that the US Supreme court blew it badly when making that ruling..maybe it can be appealed and changed...  |
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Post by Flix on Feb 19, 2010 1:39:59 GMT
Well, it's the highest court in the land, so no appealing. And future cases with the same issue will be controlled by this case. The best immediate hope is legislation that bans corporate spending or at least limits it. The problem is, it will be tricky avoiding a constitutional issue - corporate spending is now protected by the 1st amendment. The best future hope is to have a more liberal Supreme Court someday that can simply say, 'overturned.' This is the case, if anyone's interested: United Citizens v. Federal Election Commission |
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Post by Dark Phoenix Rising on Feb 19, 2010 9:29:03 GMT
The best you can really hope for is that congress will put in a blanket legislation that limits the amount of money any 1 organisation/person can donate - as a protection to democracy and liberty
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Post by ss on Feb 20, 2010 16:17:11 GMT
Well, it's the highest court in the land, so no appealing. And future cases with the same issue will be controlled by this case. The best immediate hope is legislation that bans corporate spending or at least limits it. The problem is, it will be tricky avoiding a constitutional issue - corporate spending is now protected by the 1st amendment. The best future hope is to have a more liberal Supreme Court someday that can simply say, 'overturned.' This is the case, if anyone's interested: United Citizens v. Federal Election CommissionUpon reading that EXTREMELY long and repetative article... It looks like the court ruled correctly on the freedom of speech issue IAW the 1st amendment...however, I think that DPR has a valid way to get around it. The Legislative branch..ie...congress...makes the laws and could easily put a limit on contributions...as well they should...and that may fix the problem...(until they find a way to circumvent it.. ;D) |
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Post by Glance A'Lot on Feb 20, 2010 19:23:22 GMT
But then, the legislative branch will be on the receiving end of any campaign contributions (OK, in the case of the USA, safe for the presidential campaign) - and with only two relevant parties in the run, I have me doubts about them self-restricting/limiting the cake to distribute...
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Post by kilgoretrout on Feb 27, 2010 17:54:50 GMT
Yes , soon enough all will see that it is fully corrupt. I am , everyday more and more proven accurate in my perceptions of truth.
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Post by ss on Feb 27, 2010 21:50:30 GMT
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Post by kilgoretrout on Feb 28, 2010 18:54:49 GMT
Quite the massive display of DEATH POWER. What's wrong though is that those people will still buy what the REPUBLICANS SELL them. So their WEAPONS of DEATH will aim at reason and not the real ENEMY , BY PARTISAN CORRUPTION against we the SERF PEOPLE.
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Post by Hand-E-Food on Feb 28, 2010 22:34:53 GMT
I had a mixed reaction to that video. When they started showing the kids how to use the weapons, I noticed that the adult supervision was very strong. I saw that this is a good was to educate the kids and perhaps reduce gun deaths in future. However, when it came to the adults learning to use the guns, I saw it as an enabler, perhaps encouraging them to purchase a gun for home protection, now that they know they're capable of using them. |
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Post by ss on Mar 1, 2010 20:44:56 GMT
Quite the massive display of DEATH POWER. What's wrong though is that those people will still buy what the REPUBLICANS SELL them. So their WEAPONS of DEATH will aim at reason and not the real ENEMY , BY PARTISAN CORRUPTION against we the SERF PEOPLE. AAAHHHHH...Politics finally rears its head...does that mean that you are a Democrat KT?  And just where did you see the "Republican" banners in that video...I don't have a clue what (or if) they belong to any party I just thought they were having a nice Saturday picnic... ;D But then....might just be my "serf" mentality... ;D |
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Post by Terrordar on Mar 1, 2010 21:51:56 GMT
He's neither ss. He believes that the New World Order controls everything.
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Post by kilgoretrout on Mar 1, 2010 23:26:23 GMT
He's neither ss. He believes that the New World Order controls everything. ___________________________________________ ^what you know. |
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Post by kilgoretrout on Mar 1, 2010 23:27:58 GMT
Quite the massive display of DEATH POWER. What's wrong though is that those people will still buy what the REPUBLICANS SELL them. So their WEAPONS of DEATH will aim at reason and not the real ENEMY , BY PARTISAN CORRUPTION against we the SERF PEOPLE. AAAHHHHH...Politics finally rears its head...does that mean that you are a Democrat KT? And just where did you see the "Republican" banners in that video...I don't have a clue what (or if) they belong to any party I just thought they were having a nice Saturday picnic... ;D But then....might just be my "serf" mentality... ;D If I had to lean either way , I am a liberal man , but more like Libertarian. Though really , when I see "rednecks" I think republicans. Then again , I do not subscribe to ideas of forced perspectives , black white left right etc , a bird with one wing will not fly. |
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Post by Glance A'Lot on Mar 2, 2010 16:19:57 GMT
I saw that this is a good way to educate the kids and perhaps reduce gun deaths in future.
I'm split here
- for one it may reduce ACCIDENTAL gun deaths in a society where guns are (too) easy to get a hold of;
- on the other hand, it may reduce the inhibition threshold for using guns in the first instance.
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Post by Hand-E-Food on Mar 2, 2010 21:45:56 GMT
I saw that this is a good way to educate the kids and perhaps reduce gun deaths in future. I'm split here - for one it may reduce ACCIDENTAL gun deaths in a society where guns are (too) easy to get a hold of; - on the other hand, it may reduce the inhibition threshold for using guns in the first instance. So long as they use those guns on appropriate non-living targets, I have no problem with that. |
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