Post by Dark Phoenix Rising on Aug 28, 2007 14:14:53 GMT
Duration only matters in relationship to the change of other things, if absolutly nothing changed for a period of "time" then the fact that it had taken that long to change would be irrelevant, as there would be no way to tell that it had taken that long to change (unless you were outside the system).
After all, consider the fact that 1 second = 9,192,631,770 periods of a caesium-133 atom. This would make duration the measure of the speed of change as it is the thing that is measrured in a relative sense rather than an absolute sense. Which is also why less seconds pass the faster you travel
Post by Dark Phoenix Rising on Aug 29, 2007 9:03:22 GMT
Duration is the length of the race measured in temporal units. Time is the medium in which the race happens.
(ss - one of DPR's best traits, to my mind, has always been how darn good he is at this stuff
That's an arcane way of saying it, and is very prone to misinterpretation, but it does also cover most of what needs to be said on the subject.
ss - What we call time is a measure of the observed changes around us, and within us. If you want to try an experiment to see what I mean, find a quiet room with no clocks in it and no natural light, then sit in the room quietly for what you think is 1/2 hour. (check the time when you go in, and when you come out). Then take something that intrests you in with you (but not music or a time peice) and sit in the room doing that intresting thing for what you think is 1/2 hour. Compare the times.
With clocks we have made a way of observing smaller changes by proxie.
As for why duration only matters in relationship to the change of other things. If you went to sleep in an underground facility where there were no clocks, the lights were electric, and the corridors were kept clean automatically. You would only have a very hazy idea of how long you had been asleep based on the way your body felt. Now imagine how you'd feel if your body functions were suspended while you slept, so that you felt the same when you woke up as you did when you went to sleep (except rested). How could you tell how much time had passed?
The same is true for everything else around us, if everything in the solar system stopped for 10 million years, the only way we'd know is by the way the stars had changed. If everything in the universe stopped for 10 million years, there would be no way to know unless we found some reference point outside the universe.
Three o'clock is always too late or too early for anything you want to do.
If you don't have time to do it right you must have time to do it over.
Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana.
A man with a watch knows what time it is. A man with two watches is never sure.
When I give a lecture, I accept that people look at their watches, but what I do not tolerate is when they look at it and raise it to their ear to find out if it stopped.
You know, sometimes, when they say you're ahead of your time, it's just a polite way of saying you have a real bad sense of timing.
Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so.
I would I could stand on a busy corner, hat in hand, and beg people to throw me all their wasted hours.
Time and Tide wait for no man, but time always stands still for a woman of thirty.
I gotta work out. I keep saying it all the time. I keep saying I gotta start working out. It's been about two months since I've worked out. And I just don't have the time. Which uh..is odd. Because I have the time to go out to dinner. And uh..and watch tv. And get a bone density test. And uh.. try to figure out what my phone number spells in words.
Post by Glance A'Lot on Sept 14, 2007 10:50:47 GMT
Time is not only about duration or the measurement of changes - it is also about sequence. Now any change is a cause - effect sequence, but several of those also are on a timeline. And that timeline cannot be rearranged arbitrarily.
I tend to disagree that 'time' as an abstract concept is 'human' - what is human is the interpretations of the effects of time or its measurements.
The concept of time as a sequence of events would be there even if there were no humans. That we are aware of it, and can meditate over it, doesn't make it any more humane.