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Post by jesse on Sept 6, 2005 4:02:46 GMT
On that new article:
Bulleteer sounds really good, and I think we should start taking bets on who kicks the bucket in the final issue of the series.
I'll take the dark horse, Zatanna. That would really piss of the fanboys.
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Post by brett on Sept 6, 2005 4:22:31 GMT
I'm more in line with Duncan. Exactly actually.
Big fan of the twist, mainly because it changes the story retroactively. When put into context (or the puzzle pieces put together to reveal the picture), the first 3 issues make even more sense, especially the strong focus on Galahad. Even thoguh I was already digging the Ystin vs Galahad fight before #4, #4 value-adds so much more to the story, taking it up another level, adding another layer of complexity.
And it is a complete story actually, or more appropriately, an arc. The end is the begininng (end of #4 segues into the start of #1) and the beggining is the end. Not a complete story as much as say We3 was, but the intention was to launch them with the (hopeful) possibility of an ongoing, as well as the climax of the story in SS #1.
Reading that Pulse interview, it seems more and more likely that the Sheeda are future-terrestials. Technology so advanced that it seems like magic.
I definitely think Shining Knight would be able to support an ongoing series now. Didn't really before #4, but so much has been added to it with that issue that it opens tons of possibilties.
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Post by Elliot Kane on Sept 6, 2005 7:58:41 GMT
SK was solidly plotted, no question, but it fails to really showcase the character of Justin(e) beyond 'pure of heart'. I see this as the weakest of the titles so far because the characterisation is weakest. I really feel like I know the other three as people. Zee is totally consistent with all the Vertigo titles I've seen her in, and her relationship with her apprentice (Also a good character in her own right) is really natural and unforced. Klarion could be any kid who's too smart for his surroundings, but still pretty naieve. His voyage of discovery is easy to see and relate to. And last but absolutely not least, Guardian is incredibly well defined. He's easily my favourite of the original characters so far. He's a very human hero, but definitely a hero. Jesse - Bulleteer & Frankenstein both sound great, I have to say As to guessing the dead member, I think it will be Justin(e). That would bring the circle to close, as it were. And it is the duty of knights to sacrifice themselves for others. That might be a bit too obvious for GM to run with, though... Brett - I completely agree on the Sheeda. I think they come from the very last days of Earth, when the planet is dying and the human race is sunken to its lowest ebb.
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Post by Duncan on Sept 6, 2005 14:24:26 GMT
Really great review: joglikescomics.blogspot.com/2005/09/brilliant-brilliant-brilliant.htmlI like your arc description, Brett - 's a good way to put it; no ultimate resolution - I'm beginning to think SS#1 is naturally going to have to constitute an effective #5 for all seven series (and I'll lay cash-money that JHW brilliantly apes everyone's style from Bianchi to Paquette, whilst also subsuming them to his own - something to look forward to...), for anyone who actually is reading these as separate entities (anyone?) they will have to buy one premium-sized (likely not priced, though; I notice #0 is in fact 4c cheaper than the individual issues) bookend. Fiscally speaking, $15 on 5 books in a year is not a bad outlay. Will all be resolved therein? Pretty much, I'd say. It normally is. P.S. Bianchi is my favourite of the artists. I have a feeling, having examined his website, BDP will be tricky no.8. (2. Irving 3. Stewart 4. Sook, since you ask) Oh, 'bulletproof' JH is number none, obvs. Seen that Desolation Jones?! Great.
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Post by Elliot Kane on Sept 6, 2005 14:38:00 GMT
That is indeed a really good review. Thanks, Duncan
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Post by Duncan on Sept 6, 2005 17:55:36 GMT
I think he's done reviews of all of them. I can never be arsed to do a blog properly, and it's especially hard to even bother trying when guys younger than me, like him and Brill Building, keep knocking it out the park.
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Post by jesse on Sept 7, 2005 4:44:41 GMT
Right now, my tier looks like this.
1. Stewart 2. Sook 3. Irving 4. Bianchi
Wouldn't be fair to include J.H. Williams in this. Guy's amazing.
"What the devil? He's on another level."
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Post by Elliot Kane on Sept 7, 2005 16:06:34 GMT
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Post by jesse on Sept 7, 2005 19:59:23 GMT
Grant Morrisson listens to Handsome Boy Modelling School? I had no idea.
Thanks for posting up those articles.
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Post by brett on Sept 8, 2005 10:35:55 GMT
On SK again, and Morrison alludes to it in the Pulse interview: is what I think I like about it. Ystine's character arc has come to an end, and her new one about to begin/emerge. And I can't wait to see it. That's quite an accomplishment given that my main hope for SK was some Noh-Varr-esqe, Marvel Boy action. Which is there ( that panel in #4), thankfully , but now I want to read more of this character/book. Mission accomplished I suppose. This is the type of story that serialized comics are made for, and the ending fits that (end of chapter 1. Chapter 2 in S7 #1.) Although I can see why folks wanted more completeness as well, but if it's any consolation Elliot I think we're almost assured some great characterisation with Ystine coming up. Probably should have occurred in the mini, but George seems to have made a conscious choice for it not to, let's just hope creatively he made the right choice. Also very upset that DC pulled Ferry off Mr Miracle because he signed an exclusive with Marvel. Though Guardian #4 coming out tomorrow helps ease the pain. Bastards.
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Post by Duncan on Sept 8, 2005 15:11:37 GMT
So, by [Censored], 'Sex Secrets of the Newsboy Army' didn't fail to deliver, at the halfway line.
Terrible Time Tailor is baddest yet.
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Post by jesse on Sept 9, 2005 1:14:20 GMT
Guardian #4 is amazing. Maybe my favorite of all the single issues so far. It manages to be tragic, humorous, and hopeful at the same time. I gotta eat right now, but I'll come back with a more detailed review later.
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Post by brett on Sept 9, 2005 5:20:32 GMT
Another big impacting panel in this one, after the Time Tailor [Censored]s up the Newsboys. That whole page was great: sparse verbose-wise, but packing and getting across so much info.
Time Tailor really looks like Quitely's King Mob/Grant Morrison. I'm still trying to figure out how GM relates to the Seven Mystery Men. Ah well, massive re-read this weekend then.
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Post by jesse on Sept 9, 2005 6:19:37 GMT
Let me see if I got this straight:
- Football player guy has sex with Chop Suzy. Whether it's consentual we don't know, but we do know he was too old for her. (Or maybe made too old via a time distortion??)
- The guy who creates the clothes for the Newsboys is a traitor from the seven unknown men.
- Ali Ka-Zoom was in Zatanna #3, and the Italian kid was Don Vincenzo (sp?).
- Football player guy is still alive.
- Jake Jordan is the coolest character in the series, Zatanna be damned.
This issue made me excited for the series all over again. Here's to hoping Jake lays a beat-down on those Sheeda punks.
(Although after this issue I'm starting to suspect that maybe my baseless early prediction of Zatanna to kick the bucket was wrong, and that Jake might be the one who bites it.)
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Post by brett on Sept 9, 2005 7:31:56 GMT
Yeah, Kid Scarface=Don Vincenzo. Shite, he's harsh, doubly so as a pre-teen.
Captain 7 has already got Chop Suzi preggers. Supposedly consensual, but yeah, Cap is a bit older than other (got to get back to college). I'm guessing he gets killed when he's put in Ali's chest. The swing from Kid Scarface to Cap's head looked brutal, so I'd say he was dead before falling in.
Ali's also the bum at the end of Shining Knight #2. The end of that issue segues right into the start of Z #3.
[Censored] yeah, Jake is the shite, no doubt about that. These last 2 issues of Guardian have been unbelievably good, and I thought the first 2 were near perfect. Nice to see that it was taken up a level.
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Post by Duncan on Sept 9, 2005 14:37:14 GMT
Yeah, I think Captain 7 is/was still in Ali's cabinet, burned in Z#3, along with the metahuman specialist and a dozen police.
I loved loved loved this ish; even no.'s have been great for me on this series, odds not so much.
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Post by jesse on Sept 9, 2005 20:08:37 GMT
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Post by The Spider on Sept 10, 2005 0:42:04 GMT
I'm still trying to figure out how GM relates to the Seven Mystery Men. Funny you should say this because I just remembered that in the movie MYSTERY MEN, there were 7 in the team.
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Post by Duncan on Sept 10, 2005 2:59:09 GMT
Aye, some of that does need further qualification in the series, but he's evidently in the Celtic myth schema Cernunnos/Herne. I think the panel at the end of JLA:Classified #3's prefatory arc showed only 6 Ultramarines going into Qwewq, don't have it to hand, but as you know by now (but for Millions, the Newsboys might've vanquished the dastardly duo at the Gold place...), six always fails. I wrote bitsa this page about him. Also, he looks cool (particularly in that 1 pg. splash in SK #2,) though very much like Eternity. Hmmm... just running a couple theories here, only 6 JLAers went into his infant form in order to stop Black Death. We can analogise him to some natal infection or something. Also, the bit after he 'expands to occupy the shape of' John Wether AKA Pulse 8/The Master from the Ultramarines is unclear. He seems to possess his powers for a bit, but then later we see the character with a sole Sheeda infection, like Mo Colley, (all iirc, wish I hadn't've lent that, even though I got a shot of Flex Mentallo and loads've other great stuff,) and lastly Wether is one of the Ultras that go into Qwewq at the end. All the best stuff with him is actually in the prelude, now I think about it. 'Part from him killing a Legion reserver in order to pretend he'd killed Misty, or Arianrhod as I prefer to call her.
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Post by brett on Sept 10, 2005 3:39:30 GMT
There's only two options for Neh-Buh-Loh. One, the Sheeda are from the infant universe of Qwewq, and have corrupted the future personification/shape of their universe. This makes sense, because Neh-Buh-Loh is described by Superman in JLA:Classified as a time-travelling teenage bully. Assuming that the Sheeda are future-terrestials, this fits perfectly.
Other option is that the Sheeda are from the future of the DC Universe, but still corrupted Neh-Buh-Loh. Maybe he's the spoils of a previous Harvest by the Sheeda? Plus he's somehow the proto-archtype Huntsman, like Ystine's Camelot was the proto-Camelot.
In a nice bit of synchronicity, I'm re-reading Waid's JLA at the moment, and the Queen of Fables arc at the moment. Some JH Williams' art too! Six soldiers action here as well, because Bataman's been booted out of the league, and Wonder Woman does her best Sleeping Beauty impersonation. Up to part 2, which looks like it has some monologues from the Queen that may be able to tie into Gloriana.
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