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Post by Elliot Kane on Jul 21, 2005 11:09:08 GMT
Fortunately, early reports indicate that only the detonators went off, leaving a lot of people shaken but no casualties and very few injuries. The Times report is here |
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Post by peterh on Jul 21, 2005 11:14:23 GMT
damn, you beat me. strangely we chose the same headline...
Very lucky there's no casualities..
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Post by Elliot Kane on Jul 21, 2005 11:18:01 GMT
Better yet, I suspect the police now have some live would-be suicide bombers to hand over to the intelligence services  And very weird we chose the exact same headline, yeah... |
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Post by peterh on Jul 21, 2005 11:20:25 GMT
Better yet, I suspect the police now have some live would-be suicide bombers to hand over to the intelligence services And very weird we chose the exact same headline, yeah... well, that is good news. Hopefully they'll be able to get some information out of it. Well, the headline stuff just goes to show that great minds think alike |
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Post by Tsel on Jul 21, 2005 11:23:48 GMT
It is so crazy these suicide terrorists and terrorists in general. They’ve already ticked off the Americans and now they want to drop the wrath of the Brits around their neck. (sheesh) Talk about a brainless bunch. Tsel  |
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Post by Dark Phoenix Rising on Jul 21, 2005 11:27:01 GMT
The trick is, me thinks, is that they are trying to ferment war, and our reaction last time was, shall we say, disappointing to them to say the least?
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Post by Elliot Kane on Jul 21, 2005 11:27:23 GMT
They've discovered the best way to make sure we Brits back Blair. No-one over here wanted the Iraq war, and most of us didn't want Afghanistan either. But... At this rate, we'll be so pissed off Blair will get full backing.
Depressing, that. But if there's any people that get less frightened and more annoyed than the Brits when threatened like this, I don't know them.
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Post by Dr. Doom on Jul 21, 2005 15:17:12 GMT
Yeah I heard about this news. Glad to hear nothing bad happened, except I think one injury. It'd be great if we had some live terrorists to interrogate/torture.
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Post by philster on Jul 21, 2005 15:39:11 GMT
The best thing is this will take away from the "legend" of the terrorists. We now know they can make potentially huge mistakes. This will hurt them. Happy nobody was hurt in London. Especially you bunch a' guys  |
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Post by Elliot Kane on Jul 21, 2005 16:58:47 GMT
Suicide bombs often fail to go off, Phil. But 'Man screams "Death to infidels" before a large clicking sound was heard at which point he ran away' is not exactly newsworthy! ;D
That said, all four failing to go off in the SAME operation... That level of ineptitude is quite possibly the work of copycat amateurs. Not that I'd expect any terrorist organisation to WANT to claim responsibility for this one ;D
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Post by philster on Jul 21, 2005 19:28:20 GMT
LoL.
Well in any case, I can't help but wonder if our operations to catch all the terrorists have forced them to depend more on inept operatives with less training.
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Post by Elliot Kane on Jul 21, 2005 20:03:27 GMT
Phil - all our govts have done is given them a fantastic place to train new recruits by turning Iraq into a massive war zone. And that isn't just my opinion, BTW. It's the opinions of both British Intelligence and one of our most influential think tanks.
Iraq has also given them a load more recruits. It's a disaster on every level, for the West.
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Post by philster on Jul 21, 2005 21:04:13 GMT
I don't believe that... they're in too much of a hurry to train anybody properly. We have them on the run, I think. They've got terrorists crossing the border from Syria, which is what keeps them trained, but I don't think we're giving them much chance to regroup and reorganize themselves at all.
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Post by philster on Jul 21, 2005 21:05:53 GMT
Just gonna have to wait and see what history brings, whether it be in our lifetimes or not...
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Post by Shan on Jul 21, 2005 22:41:56 GMT
Just wanted to say that I am glad everyone is OK. I am very glad to hear the there were no casualties and very few injuries. Shan |
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Post by Shan on Jul 21, 2005 22:48:51 GMT
I think in alot of cases like this they are being trained from the time they are little by their parents, relatives, and countrymen to feel the way they do about all of us. I see them growing up with the idea of if they have to they will give their life for the cause. With all of this, I am not sure that they would ever get much of what we would call formal training. They just do what they are told to do. My opinion. Shan |
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Post by Dark Phoenix Rising on Jul 22, 2005 6:49:32 GMT
This is from a newsletter I subscribe to (monthly) The Adaptability of Iraqi Insurgents This Newsweek article on the insurgents in Iraq includes an interesting paragraph on how they adapt to American military defenses. "Counterinsurgency experts are alarmed by how fast the other side's tactics can evolve. A particularly worrisome case is the ongoing arms race over improvised explosive devices. The first IEDs were triggered by wires and batteries; insurgents waited on the roadside and detonated the primitive devices when Americans drove past. After a while, U.S. troops got good at spotting and killing the triggermen when bombs went off. That led the insurgents to replace their wires with radio signals. The Pentagon, at frantic speed and high cost, equipped its forces with jammers to block those signals, accomplishing the task this spring. The insurgents adapted swiftly by sending a continuous radio signal to the IED; when the signal stops or is jammed, the bomb explodes. The solution? Track the signal and make sure it continues. Problem: the signal is encrypted. Now the Americans are grappling with the task of cracking the encryption on the fly and mimicking it-so far, without success. Still, IED casualties have dropped, since U.S. troops can break the signal and trigger the device before a convoy passes. That's the good news. The bad news is what the new triggering system says about the insurgents' technical abilities." The CIA is worried that Iraq is becoming a far more effective breeding ground for terrorists than Afghanistan ever was, because they get real-world experience with urban terrorist-style combat. <http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8272786/site/newsweek/> |
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Post by Shan on Jul 22, 2005 13:37:38 GMT
This adds to my thoughts, because I think they start getting this experience from the time they are very young and thus as they get older they are more experienced, continue to gain experience and thus no heavy training is required. I guess you could say that living it day to day is their training.  Shan |
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Post by philster on Jul 22, 2005 21:58:15 GMT
Well, what's better, to let them have even more time to train themselves properly, get stronger, or to keep them on the run?
It's a lose-lose situation either way. Iraq was a disaster area long before we even entered the place. They hated us before, we can't make them hate us any more. Hate is hate.
At least this way, we're putting them on the defensive and perhaps making the world a safer place.
Terrorists can't be allowed to run around completely unchecked.
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Post by Elliot Kane on Jul 22, 2005 22:08:59 GMT
Phil - I don't think we'll ever agree on this one, but personally I believe it's better to have less people hate us overall. Creating more hatred can never be a good thing, to me, and that's what we did and are continuing to do in Iraq and Afghanistan.
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