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Post by Elliot Kane on Jul 24, 2006 18:07:24 GMT
According to convention reports from The Pulse, Ultimate Gwen Stacy will return in USM #98 - complete with her own Venom-type costume!
While I adore Gwen, I have mixed feelings about this. Mainly - is Bendis still so far gone as a writer that he is unreadably bad? And will this just be another lame "I hate Spiderman" type character?
Gwen was absolutely the best thing about USM - but is bringing her back a good idea or a bad idea?
Your thoughts people, please...
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Post by Gray Lensman on Jul 24, 2006 18:43:55 GMT
As much as I love Ultimate Gwen, my temptation is to leave this on the shelf.
This pains me. She's a great character. Gwen was in fact the only reason I read that book for the longest time. She should never have been killed off... and if she's brought back in the right way, this could be a great move. With the right execution.
Said execution is what bothers me. I don't trust Bendis to write even a grocery list right now. Bendis is overextended and burned out, and has been for years. Even before USM jumped the shark, his writing had flaws in it. And Bendis' writing has only gotten abominably worse since then. I see no reason to believe he's even remotely improved.
Granted... he is especially crap at 616 titles, which he is just completely unsuited for. It's possible Bendis may do better with this. But given how much distaste I have for his work these days, I'm not betting on it.
I want this to work. But with Bendis... I just fear it won't.
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Post by SimonBJ on Jul 24, 2006 21:54:11 GMT
I sold all my ult spiderman hardbacks when the death of Gwen made it seem to me less fresh, *child friendly* (within reason) and lovelily fluffy as I wanted. [The 'real' spiderman then heading into the angst of gwen-goblin-betrayal. I'd like Gwen to be alive, but not enough to rebuy the comics I fear. [Also cost cutting at present].
Simon BJ
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Post by hector on Jul 25, 2006 0:26:14 GMT
Just keep in mind this is bringing her back in the middle of something called "The Clone Saga"
Just saying.
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Post by Elliot Kane on Jul 25, 2006 2:14:08 GMT
Oh dear... Thanks for the warning, Hec...
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Post by Gray Lensman on Jul 25, 2006 2:22:53 GMT
Well... wouldn't be the first time Bendis played fast and loose with the truth. This is the same Bendis, as I recall, that said he wouldn't kill Gwen off in the first place. So it's not impossible that we could get another Illyana job here.
Still... you never know. Might be worth a flip-through, just to satisfy curiosity.
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Post by BJC on Jul 27, 2006 19:51:44 GMT
WHAAAAAAAAT?!?!!? Symbiote Gwen Stacy? Something about that just doesn't seem right...
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Post by Alrik on Aug 1, 2006 17:24:03 GMT
What kind of character is this ?
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Post by Elliot Kane on Aug 1, 2006 19:41:03 GMT
Alrik...
Gwen is a supporting character in Marvel's Ultimate Spideman title. She was widely regarded by many as the best member of the supporting cast and by at least a few of us as the best character in the title. The writer killed her off in a very stupid, very pointless way - though it now looks as if fan annoyance may be getting her brought back. Perhaps...
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Post by Alrik on Aug 1, 2006 23:40:22 GMT
I see. Was she just a "plain" character, or another "superhero" ?
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Post by Gray Lensman on Aug 2, 2006 0:41:32 GMT
Gwen was an ordinary teenage girl, Alrik. She had no powers whatsoever. I think that added to her charm.  In Ultimate Spider-Man, Gwen Stacy was a teenage girl who moved in with Peter Parker. She became kind of an adopted sister to Peter. She was an excellent character, and certainly a vast improvement on the original character she was based on. |
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Post by hector on Aug 2, 2006 0:45:40 GMT
"plain", non-super powered, hero's love interest character.
The "Ultimate" line is a universe separate from the "Regular" Mavel Universe, whose primary purpose is to reinvent and/or regurgitate stories from the regular universe.
The thing here is that this "Clone Saga" refers to a hated storyline that happened in the regular universe. Part of that storyline was the existance of a clone of that universe's Gwen.
I don't know if that means this Gwen is clone or not, but I wouldn't rule out that possibility.
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Post by Elliot Kane on Aug 2, 2006 1:33:54 GMT
Depressingly, I would rule out very little in the way of bad ideas where Bendis is concerned...
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Post by Alrik on Aug 2, 2006 12:43:10 GMT
Okay, I understand it much better now.
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Post by hector on Aug 3, 2006 0:26:21 GMT
Depressingly, I would rule out very little in the way of bad ideas where Bendis is concerned... I would pretty much rule out the possibility of good ideas, though. Which isn't completely related to Bendis' (lack of) talent. Just the way Marvel seems to be run. Arguebly, returning Gwen would be seem as something some fans want, and Marvel's policy seems to be "why do something they want, instead of pissing them off?" Sometimes, like with Sins Past, that blows in their face, because it actually led to dimished sales (at least until the next crossover) but take Avengers Dissassambled. Crappy storyline. Pretty much everyone hated it. What did that lead to? To making Avengers a top-selling book. |
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Post by Elliot Kane on Aug 3, 2006 0:37:06 GMT
Good point, Hec. You have to really wonder about comic fans, sometimes...
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Post by Alrik on Aug 3, 2006 12:33:57 GMT
We have a saying here, that goes like that :
"Millions of flies cannot be wrong".
I think it's really going down to that.
To see magazines like the british "Sun" (I guess it's like the German "Bild") being bought in masses, although they represent little more than crap makes me actually wonder about the height of the intelligence level, of humans.
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Post by Elliot Kane on Aug 3, 2006 14:16:32 GMT
Also very true, Alrik...
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Post by hector on Aug 3, 2006 19:23:35 GMT
"Millions of flies cannot be wrong That's an awesome quote. Can i borrow it for when I'm passive-agressively insulting Bendis' fans? |
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Post by BJC on Aug 3, 2006 19:46:46 GMT
If the clone saga is restarting...does that mean we're going to see a 'Gwen Reilly' or something? The more I hear about it the more interested I become...despite my fear of Bendis' influence on comic writers everywhere...
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