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Post by SPS on Jan 18, 2008 22:37:16 GMT
Something I don't get is how making Spider-Man and Mary Jane getting a divorce makes them any less relatable? The divorce rate in the US is pretty high and everyone knows a person who has had a divorce so IMO having Peter and Mary Jane get a divorce makes them MORE relatable to today's audiences. If the writers wrote Peter as a divorcee he could serve as a model for people as long as the writers don't get too preachy and say "THIS is how you should deal with a divorce".
So yes I wholeheartedly agree with Larsen's article.
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Post by Elliot Kane on Jan 18, 2008 22:49:14 GMT
Agreed. Almost everyone I know was divorced or split from a long term partner at some time in their 20s. Peter being divorced wouldn't even age him, IMO.
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Post by Gray Lensman on Jan 18, 2008 23:03:05 GMT
I don't get it either, SPS. Nor do I understand the whole idea of marriage or divorce aging the character. Larsen makes a good point when he points out that Peter and MJ can be divorced without referencing the marriage afterwards, in any case.
This is still Quesada rolling Spider-Man back to 1970, as I see it.
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Post by hector on Jan 19, 2008 1:24:17 GMT
Something I don't get is how making Spider-Man and Mary Jane getting a divorce makes them any less relatable? The divorce rate in the US is pretty high and everyone knows a person who has had a divorce so IMO having Peter and Mary Jane get a divorce makes them MORE relatable to today's audiences. If the writers wrote Peter as a divorcee he could serve as a model for people as long as the writers don't get too preachy and say "THIS is how you should deal with a divorce". Relatable to *older* audiencies, which is exactly the opposite of what they want. And I doubt any writer would want to make Peter Parker a model for divorcees. A way to erase the unmasking was also needed, by the way. And you need something magical or cosmic to do that. There was no easy way to undo the marriage. No, make that, there was no *good* way to undoing the marriage. Everything from divorce, to JMS anal-retentive but equally stupid retcon to Byrne's Shaper of the World idea sound terrible and as bad as OMD. And it doesn't really matter. The two issues of BND are better than anything published in the last 20 years. |
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Post by SPS on Jan 21, 2008 3:28:46 GMT
Something I don't get is how making Spider-Man and Mary Jane getting a divorce makes them any less relatable? The divorce rate in the US is pretty high and everyone knows a person who has had a divorce so IMO having Peter and Mary Jane get a divorce makes them MORE relatable to today's audiences. If the writers wrote Peter as a divorcee he could serve as a model for people as long as the writers don't get too preachy and say "THIS is how you should deal with a divorce". Relatable to *older* audiencies, which is exactly the opposite of what they want. And I doubt any writer would want to make Peter Parker a model for divorcees. A way to erase the unmasking was also needed, by the way. And you need something magical or cosmic to do that. There was no easy way to undo the marriage. No, make that, there was no *good* way to undoing the marriage. Everything from divorce, to JMS anal-retentive but equally stupid retcon to Byrne's Shaper of the World idea sound terrible and as bad as OMD. And it doesn't really matter. The two issues of BND are better than anything published in the last 20 years. I was only a year old when the Marriage happened but if I were a bigger fan of Spidey I would care more about the marriage being broken up. I WAS a fan of Spidey's comics until I saw the first Spider-Man movie and realized that that the movie was better than any Spider-Man comic I had read in my lifetime. I also remember liking the back issues much more than the current comics. They were frankly more fun and less melodramatic. The only time I remember reading about a Spidey I liked was during the Clone Saga. Now make fun of it all you would like but there's no denying Ben Reily was a cool character. Anywho, it was after the Clone Saga I lost interest in Spider-Man over the following years. I would still pick up the comics from time to time but I stopped reading the comics around Chapter One. I picked up two issues of JMS run, and four issues of Ultimate Spidey but I haven't bought a Spidey comic since 2003 (or issue #500). But I may pick up Brand New Day just to check it out. I really don't give a flip about continuity overall, if the story is good it will stand on it's own without continuity. I'm not one of those readers who says if character X dies could Character Y please reference his death in book Z. Overall, I'm just a reader that's on for the ride. |
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Post by Elliot Kane on Jan 25, 2008 23:56:41 GMT
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Post by Max on Jan 26, 2008 13:54:42 GMT
Now read the first two issue of Brand New Day and I'm still not pleased in the slightest. Even if these stories were some of the best ever written (which they are REALLY not) I think the huge ugly shadow of One More Day would tarnish them.
But I think the biggest problem I have with these stories is that I don't care about this character. I don't care what happens to him. I don't care about him because this isn't Peter Parker, because in my mind the true Peter that has been Spidey since Amazing Fantasty 15 and for the last 40 years died in ASM 545. This is just a poor copy of the real Peter.
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Post by hector on Jan 28, 2008 7:23:35 GMT
Interesting to see how many other people pick up on the Oedipus complex thing... Well, it was pretty obvious. Anyway, I just want to say something I never thought I would: I'm actually enjoying a comic book with Spider-Man in it. BND is fantastic. There are many good comics out there, but it has been a while since I read a comic as fun as this first arc of BND. While there is no [Censored]ing way I would ever read the ones by Guggenheim and Wells, I'll read every arc written by Slott as long as he's there. |
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Post by Elliot Kane on Jan 28, 2008 14:30:41 GMT
Yeah, I guess it is obvious. More a case of how anyone could miss it, really...
Slott's been slowly building a fan base for a while now, with good solid story telling. The buzz on him is always good. I feel sorry for him having to lead the line after OMD, honestly.
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