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Post by Elliot Kane on Jun 22, 2007 16:10:15 GMT
I played some of the games they are looking to, and none of them had good gameplay, either, IMO...
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Post by Ubereil on Jun 22, 2007 16:45:24 GMT
I doubt it was the gameplay they were looking at when they said they were looking at Wizardry, Ultima and Might and Magic... Übereil
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Post by Elliot Kane on Jun 22, 2007 17:00:54 GMT
I agree. In fact I can't think what on Earth they WOULD look at that would be worth gaining inspiration from...
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Post by Ubereil on Jun 22, 2007 17:07:54 GMT
I remember Kiya thought Ultima 7 was the greatest game ever since it was so stimulateing. You did more than just fight, you allso had to THINK. I wouldn't know since I can't install the damn game (it's pretty much impossible on todays machines. And to think I sacrifized my modstatus for that game...). Übereil
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Post by Elliot Kane on Jun 22, 2007 17:22:27 GMT
Ultima is the one series of the three I have played nothing from. It's not been placed in edifying company there, though.
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Post by Ubereil on Jun 22, 2007 18:19:46 GMT
I tried the Ultima 6 remake for the Dungeonkeeper engine. It was completelly STUFFED with contence, it had Morrowind like conversationsystem (you didn't say stuff, you asked ABOUT it) and no journal. Didn't have close to enought patience to play it.
Übereil
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Post by Alrik on Jun 23, 2007 10:33:39 GMT
I don't know if there's any roleplaying in Wizardry/M&M/Ultima either, but I really don't care. That is, because if the omnipotient group of combat-lovers in RPGs, which is imho diue to - the origins of role playing games at all - in the great land of the many C-RPGs (I mean the USA) there is hardly any other style of playing ever considered or at least popular, which is imho because of the overall dominance od (A)D&D and its style of "role playing". No wonder that Kenzer & Co. ("Knight of the Dinner Table") developed an exaggeration of this called "Hackmaster".
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Post by Elliot Kane on Jun 23, 2007 11:25:31 GMT
Um... Alrik, have you ever played AD&D? 'Knights...' is extremely funny because it's about a group of appallingly bad players. That's the whole point of it.
D&D was the first actual RPG, and every concept involved comes from that game. The main and most important one being, of course, that you are portraying a character who is not you - IE freeform acting. This is why it's called ROLE playing in the first place.
The closest thing in terms of CRPGs to a proper AD&D game is Planescape: Torment, and even that is limited in scope compared to the real thing. All the hack and slash rubbish begun by Diablo is the province of newbie or very poor players - no true AD&D player would be thrilled by a tabletop game so utterly devoid of anything resembling characterisation.
Any game that does not give you a chance to create a personality for your character rather than just a set of statistics is not an RPG - and that's an absolute. D&D set that down in stone.
I'd say the biggest problem amongst CRPG game developers was the fact that far too many of them have obviously NOT played AD&D...
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Post by Ubereil on Jun 23, 2007 11:41:26 GMT
For the record, RPGing is about PLAYING a role, not CREATEING it. So even if you get a pre set character it shouldn't really matter, as long as you feel that you act in line with that character. As long as he has a personality, it doesn't matter if you created it or not.
Most real RPG's (tabletop) let's you create your own character with his own backround though, and this can really enchant the experience. Interpeting this into cRPG's is quite difficult though, you pretty much HAVE to go for the precreated personality (or personalities, so you can at least choose between a good and an evil. Or a neutral).
Übereil
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Post by Elliot Kane on Jun 23, 2007 11:52:04 GMT
The key is absolutely personality, Ube - but also personality development. That means things like dialogue options to allow you to take several possible approaches in a CRPG. In a tabletop game, you and I might both be given identical characters in terms of what is on the character sheet, but I can guarantee the way each of us chose to play the character would be quite different - because we would each interpret the role differently. It all comes back to freeform acting. You may or may not create what's written on the character sheet, but you absolutely do create the role!
The best way I've ever seen this done in a computer game was with the first half of Lionheart. I still don't wanna talk about the second half...
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Post by Alrik on Jun 23, 2007 13:11:28 GMT
I know that the Knights of the Dinner table are exceptionally bad players - "The Alberta Incident" is their worst work I know of (and I don't know too many mags about them). Chat about A Vampire Story
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Post by mysterd on Jul 1, 2007 15:02:34 GMT
I'm looking forward to, when it comes... Fallout 3.
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Post by mysterd on Jul 11, 2007 20:51:32 GMT
Looking forward to Gears of War for the PC. Oh, and STALKER: Clear Sky for the PC.
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Post by Alrik on Aug 23, 2007 19:52:57 GMT
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Post by sps1000 on Oct 18, 2007 22:59:00 GMT
I'm currently anticipating for the Wii:
Nights: Journey of Dreams Super Mario Galaxy Super Smash Brothers Brawl
if only I had enough money to buy all three. As it is I think I'm going to buy SSBB when it comes out and wait until the former two drop in price.
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Post by mysterd on Oct 19, 2007 2:23:15 GMT
The Witcher.
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Post by Max on Oct 19, 2007 15:43:45 GMT
Looking forward to Mass Effect for the 360. Can I say Grand Theft Auto if it comes out in April?
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Post by mysterd on Oct 20, 2007 1:04:18 GMT
Looking forward to Mass Effect for the 360. Can I say Grand Theft Auto if it comes out in April? That still is "upcoming," so yeah -- of course.
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Post by SPS on Nov 29, 2007 23:38:29 GMT
Ghostbusters: The game
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Post by Alrik on Nov 30, 2007 21:39:23 GMT
Yeah, I'm interested in that, too. And in Ankh 2. It's out already, but I still have to buy the first Ankh adventure game for me.
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