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Post by sps1000 on Mar 20, 2006 2:41:38 GMT
Good news everybody early estimates have V as the top movie at the box office this weekend.
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Post by hector on Mar 20, 2006 6:50:05 GMT
I have no idea what the hell was going in the minds of the Hughes brothers and Norrington when they decided to cr@p From Hell and LXG, but it definetely wasn't to adapt Moore's work. Finally, a movie that can be said to be an adaptation of a comic book written by Alan Moore.
Yes, they were changes, some exclusions and there may be debate as if the Wachowksi's missed the point of the novel. Personally, don't think so. I think they may have watered it down a bit and made it more palatable to the masses, but I don't think it can be denied that they managed to make a fantastic, explosive and beautifully subversive movie. More than that, they actually made a smart movie.
Tragic that the only movie that deserved the 'Based on the Graphic Novel written by Alan Moore' is the one who doesn't have it.
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Post by TheScreamMan on Mar 29, 2006 20:51:40 GMT
Moore is pompous and arrogant. Alan Moore, not me i mean.
What people dont get is that it is almost impossible to successfully capture a book onto film EXACTLY. Even Sin city didnt do the novel ons creen, it made changes so that it worked better as a film.
Its always non-film people or critics who have no idea how to make a film that use phrases like "Slightly watered down" because the film is panel for frame the same. It isnt watered down, its adjusted to fit audiences. Theres a reason we make stuff "For the masses" if we made it exactly as the comic and the masses didnt like it, then it would get poor BO results and they wouldnt make any more, or call the film a flop. And people would scratch their heads and ask why the masses didnt like the film.
Im sorry. i can accept people not liking a film, and even not liking changes. Its when people assume those changes are just dont for sheer whimsy that i get my goat up. Making a movie is HARD. Hell, getting someone to LET you make a movie is hard.
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Post by hector on Mar 30, 2006 0:30:54 GMT
I'm so very sorry I or some others don't see movies with your amazing filmmaking powers, Scream Man. But by all means, carry on from your delusional director chair defending mediocrity. ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png)
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Post by TheScreamMan on Mar 30, 2006 9:29:11 GMT
Ah! Sarcasm and personal attacks. Always a good recourse in an argument. Well played, i am put in my place. But u know what, just for the heck of it Ill explain my points.
I at no point defended mediocrity. Nor will I ever do so. There are films out there that are not to my teaste, and there are films out there that are bad. The bad films can be looked at and u can SEE the problems with it, and everyone agrees on these problems. or at least 90% of people. and i dont just mean people who are educated in filmmaking. Ask anyone who has seen Battlefield Earth for example. Or Catwoman. Those films are BAD. They just suck, and you would be hard pressed i think to find 1 in 100 people who actually liked it.
then there are films that are not to your personal taste. Some big ones for me are Titanic and Saving Private Ryan. Neither of those films are bad. They are well made, well executed pieces of art. But i find Titanic fairly dull and Ryan to be somewhat dull as well after the beach landing. My personal opinion.
What irks me is when people confuse the two. Professional critics are the worst, and annoy me to NO END with their egotistical and self righteous rants about some films. And a lot of them have no idea what they're talking about! I remember reading a review by a professional reviewer in Chicago, who said that called the second LOTR film "The 2 Towers" was in poor taste considering September 11th. he stated that the title could have been anything, so why did Peter Jackson choose this? The man is an idiot. Another example would be the Australian reviewer who prefaced her review of "The pacifer" with a 2 paragraph explanation of why she hates Vin Diesel and every film he has ever made. She stated in print that she will neevr enjoy a VD film. Now right or wrong, thats not a review! Thats a personal opinion!
now all of that was only dimly relevant to what u were talking about, but it was more to explian my prvious comments than anything else. What makes you so sure thjat the changes were made to make the film palatable to the masses? And if they were, did they detract from the story? And what is it the masses find palatable? Is it that these masses went out and watched 40yr old virgin by the droves and so it made big bucks? is it that Stealth made its money back, and so therefore must be one of those brainless action flicks that appeals to them? What is it the masses want, and what changes were made for them exactly? and how were the changes bad? while im thinking about it, heres an example of a change made ina film adaption: Spiderman has organic webshooters. Remember the MASSES of negative talk that went along with that? And did it matter a DAMN in the film? I mean really, was anyone enjoyment really affected by the fact it was changed? NO! And it was a change made to appeal to a wider audience so that the filmmakers didnt have to explain how peter made, maintained, and kept hidden the techniology of his webshooters. more palatable? Less palatable? highest grossing film weekend ever says the change seems to have gone down ok.
and i have no magical powers. I dont just click a film into existance. i have experience. I have trainign. I have practice. so when i tell you that filmmaking is a very hard thing, and that changes are made in film adaptions so as to have the film made at all, then its the voice of someone who knows what they're talking about. U can belittle it all u like with your snide remarks. Makes no difference to me. All u do is show your own recourse was a personal attack. And in the end, thats no recourse at all.
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Post by hector on Mar 30, 2006 11:15:43 GMT
The most annoying part is that I actually agree with a lot of what you have said.
But it's not what you said, but how you say it. This isn't the first time that for some reason you have choosen to take offense when there is complain about change in adaptations. And not any actual discusion, mind you, just random 'oh I know how to make movies and you don't, so don't complain'. It's tiring and useless. What exactly did your first post contributed to the topic? Have you seen the movie? Read the book? I don't know. That was just pointless complaining.
It's an adaptation. Obviously there is going to changes. Agree? Disagree? Fine. Please discuss why you think so, but please spare us the patronizing attitude and blanket statements defending all types of changes.
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Post by TheScreamMan on Mar 31, 2006 11:21:37 GMT
Sure. ok.
i shall cease my patronising. I apologise.
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Post by TheScreamMan on Apr 11, 2006 23:31:55 GMT
Saw it. Liked it alot. Hugo Weaving deserves an Oscar for that performance.
Alan Moore wouldnt like it at all. There are differences to his comic.
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Post by Galadriel on Sept 12, 2006 20:39:18 GMT
I watched the movie too, and I must say, it was very new to me, I didn't know there was a comic book about it. So to me, the movie was splendid! *thumbs up*
ps: I just wanted to bring that topic up again ;D
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Post by mobbie on Sept 12, 2006 20:46:22 GMT
Hehe, that old movie xD I saw it, (hadn't read any comic about it though.. or.. ehm.. ye, you get what I mean (hadn't read anything about IT being based on a comic)) I liked it though ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png) That's the message, Thumbs up!
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Post by Galadriel on Sept 12, 2006 20:48:38 GMT
Old movie?? It's out here for just a few weeks on DVD! ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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Post by mobbie on Sept 12, 2006 20:51:52 GMT
Eeehr, probably same here, but that doesn't change the fact that I saw it long before the summer started....
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Post by Galadriel on Sept 29, 2006 20:06:56 GMT
Is there going to be a sequal to this one?? I know he died at the end, but like all comic book heroes, I suspect he either rises again or he has a secret successor ;D
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Post by Gray Lensman on Sept 29, 2006 20:09:01 GMT
There was never a sequel to the book written. And I'm not sure it would really work anyway, given how the story ends. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) Still... never know. This is Hollywood, after all. ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png)
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Post by Galadriel on Sept 29, 2006 20:15:00 GMT
There was never a sequel to the book written. And I'm not sure it would really work anyway, given how the story ends. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) Still... never know. This is Hollywood, after all. ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png) Maybe I shall write a sequal to it? ;D The girl would be his successor, Power to the girls!! ;D
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Post by sps1000 on Sept 29, 2006 23:49:08 GMT
I'm with Gray a sequel just wouldn't work. Plus I think it would give Alan Moore even more fuel to not putting his name on any of the films made off of his work.
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Post by Gray Lensman on Sept 29, 2006 23:53:16 GMT
Evey as the new V would be cool, Kylia. And in fact, that is how I see things playing out. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) The real trick is writing a sequel that would be as good as the original. I'm not even sure that would be possible for anyone other than Alan Moore, who wrote the original story. And he's moved on to other things, and tends not to look back at his past stuff. Still... anything's possible. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) Don't know who would want to write it, but it sure won't be me. Moore is a vastly better writer than I could ever be. ;D
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Post by Galadriel on Sept 30, 2006 10:19:27 GMT
Evey as the new V would be cool, Kylia. And in fact, that is how I see things playing out. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) Don't know who would want to write it, but it sure won't be me. Moore is a vastly better writer than I could ever be. ;D Don't be so shy Steve, I'm sure you are a pretty good writer too. Maybe one day one of your stories will be filmed too. Let's just hope Daniel Radcliffe is not gonna be the star actor ;D
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Post by hector on Oct 7, 2006 19:32:46 GMT
There was never a sequel to the book written. And I'm not sure it would really work anyway, given how the story ends. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) Still... never know. This is Hollywood, after all. ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png) Maybe I shall write a sequal to it? ;D The girl would be his successor, Power to the girls!! ;DIn the book, the girl was his succesor. Not that "We all are V" crap of the movie.
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Post by Galadriel on Oct 9, 2006 11:57:18 GMT
Maybe I shall write a sequal to it? ;D The girl would be his successor, Power to the girls!! ;D In the book, the girl was his succesor. Not that "We all are V" crap of the movie. I haven't read the book, so I can't say. But yes Hec, the girl would be the best person to continue his work. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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