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Post by TheScreamMan on May 25, 2006 11:47:10 GMT
Well....its ok. not great, but not horrble. i liked it. It felt very rushed to me. Like to much was crammed in. Angel gets almost no screentime. Cyclops is ignored once more. Prof X's death was cool. Colossus got ignored, Rogue got ignored. Kitty and Bobby were cool. Jean was good when she got to do anything. Wolverine and Storm were great. Its goign todo badlty though, and i suspect most will dislike it. EDIT: Just the title, sorry, I'm anal like that.  - Hector. |
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Post by mysterd on May 25, 2006 22:20:06 GMT
What you are saying, to me, sounds like what Ebert was talking about, where he liked the film a lot -- but he said too much is crammed in and going on in this film for its brief 104 minute length: rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060524/REVIEWS/60509005I find that like many films that are adapted from comic books (especially comics w/ LOTS OF EPISODES), they often just throw way too many characters, plots, and subplots at once for the standard length they try the flick at, which is anywhere from 1 hours 30 minutes to 2 hours -- which usually, often seems to be the film's crammed and it comes off as too short. Things of epic proportions really do need the time to develop into greatness. Look at the LOTR films (based on the books), which has so many characters and plots going on, yet actually took the necessary time to actually develop them.... |
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Post by Gray Lensman on May 26, 2006 22:21:42 GMT
I finally went to see X3 today. It was almost a good movie.
I say "almost" because I generally enjoyed this film... until the very end. Mostly, the story worked. This movie is a serious shift in that a lot of big events happen with major consequences for the team, and they're followed through well. Magneto comes across as a smart villain here, and I thought the Brotherhood plot worked. Jean's descent into Dark Phoenix was also very powerfully handled.
I agree that there were some unnecessary elements crammed. Primarily, I thought Angel's appearance, cool though it looked, was pointless and could have been completely ditched with no harm to the film. In fact, it might have helped the story a little on a plot level. But overall, it really wasn't a problem to me.
What was a problem to me is the ending. Sad to say, it doesn't work. It's clear they're aiming for the Dark Phoenix Saga, but the execution is just bad. The problem is the existence of the mutant cure throws off the whole equation. When you have four shots of mutant cure, wouldn't the X-Men's first thought be to use at least a couple of them on Jean? No, they use all of it on Magneto and kill her instead. It's a very large plot hole that seriously hurts the whole film.
It's really a shame, because there's a lot of good stuff in this film. Kitty and Beast were great in it, Storm finally does something, and there's some good storytelling here. But the ending throws off what could otherwise have been a much better film.
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Post by TheScreamMan on May 27, 2006 0:56:13 GMT
See, I liked the ending. There was no way they could have gotten the cure into Jean. As we saw when a hail of them came at her, she is well aware of whats going on around her and isnt goignt let them nab her with it. And it would have been destroyed had logan tried to get to her with it in the end.
i actually think they should have ditched the pheonix totally, and made that in the next movie. Keep Cyk and the Prof alive and have them in the final battle. then do Jean next movie. That would have given more time for Angel to develop, more time to see Multiple Man, maybe had Mystique go to the Xmen instead of the government....there is a lot they could have done with JUST the Mutant cure stuff.
if they had seperated the 2, we could have seena much less compacted and rushed film, and seen some more Xmen greatness. As it is we get some goodness, but nothing to really go wow about.
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Post by sps1000 on May 27, 2006 3:07:17 GMT
I got back from seeing the film a few minutes ago and I must say I liked it.
The good:
Kitty, Beast, Juggernaut, Madrox and Iceman
The plot was generally pretty good
the Bad:
Wolverine saves the day
Too many characters
The awesome:
Gambit cameo
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Post by Terrordar on May 27, 2006 7:10:54 GMT
I just got back from seeing this film. I can't say I was impressed. Sure, I sat down, drank my pop, and liked the movie here and there, but I feel cheated. I was just not drawn into this film. The aspects of the film which I was promised when they started filming, just didn't deliver.
Steve says how they handled the Dark Phoenix, which I agree with for the most part. It was just non-existant, if anything, it took away from the movie. This movie was about Magneto, and about how Jean gets stabbed at the end.
Everyone, and even the Producers, also kept going on how Cyclops was going to get a larger roll in this film. Cyclops, one of my all time favorite X-men until Morrison's run. Instead, once again, 5 minutes, then this time he just gets [Censored]ing killed. You know what that is? Bull[Censored]
SPS also brought up Wolverine saves the day. Wolverine being the center of the whole damn movie again, and effectively leader of the X-men? Oh for gods sakes. Just call the movie what it is "Wolverine and his Fantastic Friends." Just call it that, get it over with.
Magneto was great, the only really awesome parts of the movie I enjoys, were in fact Magneto.
Overall, this movie just does not do it for me. No name mutants, the name mutants I like don't get used, the ones I do like get screwed.
The good:
Beast, Shadowcat, Iceman, Maddrox (he needed to be seen MUCH more), Magneto, Xavier, Xavier Phoenix fight.
The Bad:
Unnecassary Plot.
Cyclops
Jean
Jean/Wolverine dominated subplot
Too Many Characters
Angel
No name characters
The average:
Juggernaut (I wasn't expecting much, he was a bit better then I thought he'd be)
Pyro
Mystique
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Post by sps1000 on May 27, 2006 16:35:13 GMT
Mystique should've played a larger role IMO yes, but I guess they were worried about her stealing the show again (admit it Mystique kicked butt in X2 and Raven is one of the few characters they got close to the comics IMO). Kitty of the few minutes we saw her seems to be close to the comics also. The best part of this film for me was probably the one-liners many of them were better than most of the summer action flicks I've seen of late. I can see a great T-Shirt future ahead if they get some of the lines on T-Shirts.
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Post by Terrordar on May 27, 2006 22:31:22 GMT
Too many one liners though.
Half the movie was just one liner after one liner.
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Post by Venom65437 on May 28, 2006 16:50:26 GMT
I saw it Friday and I enjoyed it. I'll go into more detail later.
SPS, where was Gambit? I didn't catch him.
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Post by sps1000 on May 28, 2006 18:52:26 GMT
Could swear there's a brief shot with a guy with red eyes running at the camera in one of the Alcatraz battle scenes.
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Post by Terrordar on May 29, 2006 0:02:33 GMT
i think a lot of this "I saw Gambit" thing is hoo ha.
If Remy is in it, he was so non-existant, its to the point of "Well that guy had a coat on, see? See? Did you see that coat? OMG!"
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Post by sps1000 on May 29, 2006 1:03:25 GMT
I may have been seeing things. But I clearly thought I saw a guy with red eyes running at the screen in one scene. I'll have to buy the DVD to see if that's really him or not. So Drath calm down.
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Post by janggut on May 29, 2006 6:21:32 GMT
overall the film was OK for me though not as good as the first but close to the second. well it has some improvements compared to the second as in Magneto character-wise feels less two-dimensional-evil-guy but still the dialogues for Magneto leaves a lot to be desired. i mean, hey this guy is on par with Xavier maturity-wise yet he has this 'childish' dialogues. this isn't like the Magneto i know i comics so the film's quite diminished.
i agree with most about too much of a good thing cramped in such short film-time. could've been expanded to 2 films & have the characters fleshed out. yep, cyclops was offed so early in the film but the guy who played cyclops feels lame so i don't feel bad about him off so soon. was nice to see that brit guy (Snatch, Lock Stock & Two Smoking Barrels) plays Juggernaut. should've given him dirty-mouth dialogues.
Kitty was present & so Iceman was also given quite an amount of air time. good but Kitty wasn't expanded well enough so the rest such as Rogue (sad to see this one relegated), Colossus, Angel & whatever bunch included Mystique had it worse.
storyline was good, in fact better than the second (the first movie is still the best to me). sadly the flow feels quite jarring. i came out of the theatre not quite knowing how to feel about the whole thing. it's great that they dare to kill off some major characters which does make the story good.
overall, it's good but too much of a good thing .......
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Post by hector on May 29, 2006 7:41:04 GMT
When Claremont left the X-Men 15 years ago the first time he said a while after something like 'The X-Men are my life's work, and it took Marvel 17 months to gut it like a fish' Not that Singer has said anything even remotely like that, in fact, he left the franchise because he loves Superman much more than the X, but the analogue is similar.
If Singer is Claremont, Ratner is the skilless hack like Lobdell and Nicieza. The wondefully textured and nuanced world of Singer's X-Men was forgotten in favor of Ratner's penance for dumb explosions. For all the pacing and exposition problems of the first X-Men films, the one thing they never were is dumb.
And unfortunately, that's what The Last Stand is. A dumb film.
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Post by Sir Ped of Ro on May 29, 2006 11:17:39 GMT
I saw it last weeka nd was disapointed and more, BORED (specially the last hafl).
a complete lack of characterization/character developement, new and old characters that were presented without any kind of logical/contextual explanation (beast, juggernaut, kitty and angel), poorly written dialoges and the SFX as the main "actors" of the flick.
simply a "cardboard" movie without any kind of development and interest on contunuing/building on what was done in the previous movie.
the first x-men wasn't bad, the second was a good one and third is by far the worst of the bunch...too bad they ended up the triology at such a low quality level.
but if you thinka movie is mainly explosions, non stop action and stiffy "dialoge (more of catch phrases) you love this "junk food" of a movie!!!
regards
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Post by sps1000 on May 29, 2006 17:25:11 GMT
Well looks like America loves junk food movies as X-Men 3 broke box office reccords this weekend by grossing 107 million a record for Memorial day weekend. The movie made half of it's budget back so I'm betting there will be an X4.
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Post by Sir Ped of Ro on May 29, 2006 19:50:52 GMT
Well looks like America loves junk food movies as X-Men 3 broke box office reccords this weekend by grossing 107 million a record for Memorial day weekend. The movie made half of it's budget back so I'm betting there will be an X4. and you need the X3 box office numbers to know that?!  that's great that some people liked it, but it's hard to deny it's a rather step down in quality comparing with the second one...heck even comparing with the first! ;D regards |
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Post by sps1000 on May 29, 2006 21:59:46 GMT
I didn't rate the first two very highly at all, so X3 is a huge step up for me since it felt like a comic book something I didn't get from the first two.
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Post by hector on May 30, 2006 1:33:10 GMT
Well looks like America loves junk food movies as X-Men 3 broke box office reccords this weekend by grossing 107 million a record for Memorial day weekend. Well, no. The United States and the world may very well like junk food movies, but The Last Stand opening gross has very little to do with the movie itself. It opened like that because X-Men and X2 got extremely good will and catapulted comics' best known franchise but obscure to the mainstream into a success. Ratner didn't earned the 103M. Singer did. |
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Post by Sir Ped of Ro on May 30, 2006 5:39:20 GMT
Well looks like America loves junk food movies as X-Men 3 broke box office reccords this weekend by grossing 107 million a record for Memorial day weekend. Well, no. The United States and the world may very well like junk food movies, but The Last Stand opening gross has very little to do with the movie itself. It opened like that because X-Men and X2 got extremely good will and catapulted comics' best known franchise but obscure to the mainstream into a success. Ratner didn't earned the 103M. Singer did. bullseye Hector... regards |
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