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Post by LaFille on Jan 29, 2010 0:24:09 GMT
This article struck me as interesting; especially the quote of Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg.
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Post by Glance A'Lot on Jan 29, 2010 8:47:59 GMT
My easiest way to comment is to paraphrase Zuckerberg's statement:
"People have really gotten comfortable careless not only sharing more information and different kinds, but more openly and with more people," I say. "That social norm thoughtlessness is just something that has evolved over time."
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Post by Galadriel on Jan 29, 2010 11:32:18 GMT
I only share Facebook with my friends, no strangers. And i only put pics on that everyone is allowed to see. I don't give a damn about this whole privacy [Censored] Before internet, you could even so meet strangers and they can also be potentially dangerous.
At least on internet you have to choice to block people you don't like, you can't do that in RL 
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Post by Cat on Jan 30, 2010 0:21:02 GMT
Whilst I must say that it's pretty dangerous for creepers and stuff on the internet. I'm pretty damn sure that not EVERYONE who one doesn't know is a pedo/murderer/rapist etc.
I'm mostly with Gal on this one.
I just want to know what you guys define as "strangers". Surely everyone's a stranger unless you actually talk to them.
One goes on holiday to say paris, and one stands in front of the Eiffel Tower, one is then potentionally in a hella lot of people's pictures, that may or may not be put on facebook, and then spread everywhere. Yet one doesn't have 300 people stalking them because their picture is everywhere.
My phone number is on the internet somewhere I'm sure. As well my house address. People are waaaay to anal about ''personal information'' If someone knows my name, they can find me in a phonebook, or online directory easy. And people are worried about Facebook? It's kind of pathetic.
(-10 points for quality of written communication there. But I'm sure you know what I'm on about)
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Post by Galadriel on Jan 30, 2010 23:27:55 GMT
Indeed Cat. Before the internet, people stalked others as well. Pictures can be taken from everyone nowadays, everyone has a cell with a camera in it today, so why hide? If you just happen to have a psycho who decides to stalk you, it's not that particular picture of you on facebook, netlog or myspace that triggered him or her. Freaks are everywhere and from all times, and there still will be freaks after this era of multimedia.
Don't know if i make any sense right now though 
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Post by Elliot Kane on Jan 31, 2010 1:03:20 GMT
I think it pays to be careful when you are dealing with people you don't know, but at the same time I think that applies to offline as much as to online behaviour. As long as you are sensible, you should be OK - which is true of both  People are people and that's always true, however you run across them. *** Gal - you make sense to me, at least |
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Post by LaFille on Jan 31, 2010 1:52:54 GMT
I'm sure that freaks, stalkers and thieves always existed and that the majority of people have good intentions and behave respectfully. That said, I do believe that the internet and social networks where people give away info readily have eased things for those who don't. While I know no numbers to back that up, I would bet that identity theft and such crimes have increased with the popularity of those too. And it's not only about dealing personally with individual freaks... There's those selling people's info to spammers, telemarketers and this kind of nuisance, for example. For my part, I value my peace, and keeping my personal info private and not letting it spread around the web is a good way for me to keep it. If I had been on Facebook and that they had made changes to the service that made my info public unless I changed that like it looks they did, I would have been among the peeved ones. =/ Also, IMO it's not because anyone could fall prey to a thief or freak no matter how much means one takes against it that one doesn't have some responsibility if it happens while they were aware of the phenomenon and that they were careless about protecting themselves against it a minimum nonetheless. But that is just my opinion. ;D Anyway, what had struck me about the quote was that in my surroundings and experience I haven't noticed such a change in the social norm about privacy and personal info. Yes, it's much more talked about, but AFAIS there has always been people giving away a ton of personal info to the 4 winds; and the difference here is just that with the web and social networks it spreads more, will remain accessible for a much longer time and you have less control over it. Without digging into that really, it seems to me that the amount people who don't mind putting their name, face, contact info and birth date readily available online is still largely outnumbered by those caring about keeping their personal info private.  ...So I was kinda thinking that Mr. Zuckerberg there might have been presenting that reality through distorting/selective glasses to suit his purpose.  Yes? No? |
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Post by Elliot Kane on Jan 31, 2010 2:07:30 GMT
You think someone might be being somewhat less than wholly honest just because there are huge sums of money involved, Fille? Surely not! ;D
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Post by LaFille on Feb 1, 2010 17:22:59 GMT
Well, it's not so much about being honest... It's just that either my perception/surroundings are not in those 'norms' or that his statement is blatant fallacy (that it be from his analysis being faulty or a dishonest attempt to justify his means, we can't really say). =/
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Post by kitty on Feb 5, 2010 11:02:06 GMT
I'm with Gal on this one, this hype about internet security is rather ridiculous...
If someone annoys you on social network sites, messengers or in your personal blogposts - block or delete that person. It's that easy. I block about one to two people a day.
I got offers from pervs of all coleur, people trying to get me to marry them for a visa (lol @ my current situation..), people who threatened me ("I hate your music, you are fat, I'll come to kill you!") and people having read stuff I said, I'd rather not have made available to them.
But that isn't stopping me to think that the availability of peoples information on the net is a good and helpful thing!
Non of the (artzy) jobs, non of my internships, not even my BF I would have got/found without social networking, finding people's addresses on the net etc.
And plainly, I do not respond to people who are excessivly secretive about their own person. When someone on a s.n.site writes me a message but has no profile picture, I'm very likely to not respond. When someone doesn't tell me his age/place of residence/political attitude, I'm suspicious.
Call me ignorant and naive, but I think the Zuckerberg guy isn't all that wrong in his observation.
(And really, if that is a serious concern to you: Don't let you kids use the internet unattended and don't put stuff about you up there. Problem solved.)
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Post by The Sonar Chicken on Feb 7, 2010 16:57:16 GMT
A good strategy is to never use the same user ID at all the forums or sites you frequent, or even leave your primary email address lying around. Or else, if someone decides to stalk you, well... then you'll learn to pay.  |
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Post by Galadriel on Feb 7, 2010 19:37:24 GMT
A good strategy is to never use the same user ID at all the forums or sites you frequent, or even leave your primary email address lying around. Or else, if someone decides to stalk you, well... then you'll learn to pay. |
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Post by Nero the Glorious on Feb 10, 2010 17:49:52 GMT
(Gal's been drinking) Shhhhh
No but seriously I agree with her...there are freaks out there...just cut them from your e-life.
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Post by Galadriel on Feb 10, 2010 21:18:31 GMT
(Gal's been drinking) Shhhhh No but seriously I agree with her...there are freaks out there...just cut them from your e-life.  |
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Post by Gay Titan on Mar 29, 2010 12:44:16 GMT
I was curious as to why we don't have a Facebook group and now I understand.
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Post by Ubereil on Mar 29, 2010 13:10:52 GMT
We do.
;D
Übereil
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Post by Gay Titan on Mar 29, 2010 13:29:16 GMT
So only the uber-cool are allowed to join or know of its existance? |
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Post by Ubereil on Mar 29, 2010 15:41:17 GMT
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Post by Gay Titan on Mar 29, 2010 16:16:28 GMT
Wow! I will access from home and feel privileged  |
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Post by Galadriel on Mar 30, 2010 19:52:59 GMT
Wow! I will access from home and feel privileged
Yup, I started one a couple of months ago, so feel free to join. No need to post tons of spams in it, but it might be useful if the Chaos is down.
Oh btw, talking stalking over facebook... jdust kinda stalked me for about a year and look, I'm sitting (laying) next to him as we speak ;D Stalking does pay off
And here is a little something to laugh about (contains strong language):
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