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Post by Glance A'Lot on May 4, 2010 8:14:23 GMT
I also think that the whole point in disallowing ad-blockers is not to be able or wish to srutinize user accounts and purge those using them, but simply to have an argument towards the advertisement marketing - after all, that's where they make the money they don't take from Elliot.
The Telltale Lounge is on paid web hosting (actually not expensive) because I wanted it to be ad-free - and hosted in Germany rather than in the Anglo-Saxon/American law environment.
If moving should become an issue I'd be prepared to discuss providing asylum to Chaos.
{The latter sounds weird...}
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Post by Elliot Kane on May 4, 2010 9:57:48 GMT
The matter is not completely decided yet, but there are a number of issues for me with all this, not the least of which is that if I were setting out to start a new forum today, I would have taken one look at that ToS, laughed at the thought anyone might voluntarily sign up to something like that, and moved on to check out other hosts.
The reproduction clause is unacceptable to me. If they wanted to avoid complaints about what Google and the like did, all they have to do is point out they are not responsible for third party actions. Simple enough. No, this new rule amounts to a 'Pirates' Charter', IMO.
In the event we (Or anyone else) decides to challenge whatever they decide to do in court, or if they decide to pull any of us into court for whatever reason, we are agreeing to pay all their legal fees as well as our own, regardless of who is right or wrong. An incredibly unlikely event, yes, but still completely morally wrong, IMO.
If any of our people use ad blockers, they could be banned, even if the use of such programs is completely out of their hands - say, for instance, they are at work or college where they have no control over security issues. This is unacceptable both because it is deeply unfair and because there is no way I am willing to lose boardies when they are in no way at fault.
ProBoards have been very good to us for the last five years, which there is no denying. I would love to stay here for the next five years and beyond, but the more I think about this, the less likely that seems. I don't know whether this is a result of new management or simply new direction, but to my mind ProBoards is no longer the friendly and welcoming place it once was.
Moving Chaos will be a pain and it's not something I really want to do. We lose five years worth of amazing posts, great topics and a lot of fun. The good news is, shutting this forum does not mean losing everything as the new Chaos could easily contain links to the old and there's no reason we can't just copy/paste over anything we want to keep - especially from the areas of 'Old Chaos' that will be deleted in their entirety (For which read the entire 'Creative Chaos' section, where all the intellectual copyright stuff goes).
On the other hand, Chaos has been running a little slowly, lately. Perhaps a move will reinvigorate us and allow us to draw in new people. Not that it won't be one heck of a lot of work, of course. Setting up a forum the size of Chaos always is. But fortunately for you guys & gals, Steve, Fille & myself will be doing most of it! ;D
Because of the very short amount of warning we have had, a final decision will be made as to whether to move or not by this Friday and by the end of next week if there is to be a move the new forum will be up and running.
We may well take the opportunity to change or combine a few sections, too, just for the heck of it! ;D (But we keep the current colour scheme. Changing sites does not change the fact that Kaz won the contest, fair and square. 'Chaos 2' would still be Chaos) 'Comics, Webcomics & Manga' has a nice ring to it, don't you think? ;D
Just to reassure everyone, you will be fully updated on every move we make, as we make it. If there is a new Chaos, you will be told the instant it goes online.
No final decision has yet been taken. But it's close.
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Post by Elliot Kane on May 4, 2010 10:00:42 GMT
Glance - I truly appreciate the offer. Thank you!  You'll doubtless be glad to know, though, that I have not been idle and have been looking at a number of potential new hosts for Chaos already. There are a fair number of free hosting sites out there and some of them look very promising indeed |
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Post by Alrik on May 4, 2010 12:07:21 GMT
Apparently, anything we post can now be used by them to promote ProBoards, which I can't say I am keen on as it comes VERY close to them claiming intellectual copyright over anything we put here. Star Wars Galaxies has a very similar thing in their EULA. It basically says that ANYTHING sent to them WILL be kind of automatically transferred into being their property in the entire universe or galaxy and for an unlimited time. Source : starwarsgalaxies.station.sony.com/en_US/players/content.vm?page=Policies%20Eula&resource=tosFearsome, isn't it ? |
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Post by Cat on May 4, 2010 14:15:59 GMT
Why don't we put it to the dreaded ''poll'' ?
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Post by Elliot Kane on May 4, 2010 16:22:38 GMT
A proper poll would take weeks. We have days. So while it's not a bad idea, it's just not practical in this case.
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Post by Cat on May 4, 2010 17:12:32 GMT
Well then, how will it be decided?
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Post by Glance A'Lot on May 4, 2010 17:39:34 GMT
By the ultimate overlord of this forum...
...with consideration to his consultants...
...whose only power is their individual decision on continued membership.
(by the way - would that also automatically prune inactive users?
If so, those who may only be temporarily absent should get the opportunity of some kind of notice)
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Post by Elliot Kane on May 4, 2010 17:51:10 GMT
That's about it, Glance, yes. There will be notices left all over this forum to explain to others where we have gone and I also intend to post notices on other relevant forums, too. The intent is to delete only those parts of this forum that contains intellectual property, and then to lock the rest, should the decision be made to leave ProBoards. Every effort will be made to direct anyone who might care towards the new forum, I assure you Part of the motivation to move is that I intend to lose no-one if I can possibly help it. |
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Post by The Sonar Chicken on May 4, 2010 18:31:25 GMT
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Post by Elliot Kane on May 4, 2010 19:05:22 GMT
And then some! We have more than twice the posts of that guy, who clearly knew what he was doing and it STILL took him a month. I'm not sure it wouldn't count as hacking their system anyway, Luci, which is really not a thing I want to do. Thanks, though |
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Post by Cat on May 4, 2010 20:04:48 GMT
So we're moving?
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Post by Elliot Kane on May 4, 2010 20:21:20 GMT
Still not completely decided, Cat, but the odds are strongly in that direction. I'd say it's more likely than not at this point.
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Post by Hand-E-Food on May 4, 2010 23:22:03 GMT
My opinion: My preference is to stay. I don't feel at all threatened by the EULA. I'm also fine with moving. It's just a new room in which to continue the conversation.
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Post by The Sonar Chicken on May 5, 2010 0:22:45 GMT
Hmmm... this sucks! I really want to keep all the discussions.  They're part of the heart of Chaos. |
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Post by killerzzz on May 5, 2010 18:07:54 GMT
I don't know about you guys, but I'm going to start doing what I mentioned in the "We're Moving" thread:
I'm gonna change my personal pictures/art to links, and do the same with my written stuff (turn them into pictures, then link them).
Once I do so, I'll post a list of threads that are out of the art section (that are mine of course) that I request not be deleted as they've been made safe. It may take me a bit of time, but I'm willing to do it.
If there's a flaw with my plan, please let me know. ;D
Killerzzz
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Post by killerzzz on May 5, 2010 18:18:13 GMT
Guys, I need an opinion on something before I continue editing. Should I continue changing each panel into a link (see the first post of Boredom Incarnate) or should I just link my DeviantArt pages? The reason why I ask is because having them as Photobucket links gives quick loading, but for ones with multiple panels it takes away from the experience reading them one panel at a time (in DeviantArt we see the whole strip together). Killerzzz |
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Post by Elliot Kane on May 5, 2010 18:46:55 GMT
There is one flaw in your plan, Kaz. Deleting entire sections is the work of minutes; deleting sections thread by thread takes hours. When I said 'the entire Creative Chaos section will be deleted' I meant it. It's just faster and easier that way.
I suggest that what you do instead is make copies of the threads you wish to keep ready to move them across to the new board, when that goes active. That should simplify your task, too, as all you have to do is copy the post into WordPad or some other text editor. All links to pictures will remain identical after all, as nothing is actually kept on ProBoards servers.
There is absolutely NO reason why you will not be able to post anything from here over to there. I know I intend to do a lot of transferring myself!
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Post by killerzzz on May 5, 2010 18:54:31 GMT
Actually, I was thinking of asking to have my 3 or 4 threads moved to the general section. I know it would be ridiculous to ask you to delete around my stuff. ;D
The problem with my art threads is that I'll have enter edit mode and copy each post since they're full of links and pictures. So, downsizing them isn't much different except that its still part of this archive (though in general).
Is moving threads problematic for you guys? If it is, then I'll just copy them.
Killerzzz
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Post by Elliot Kane on May 5, 2010 19:12:06 GMT
Moving threads is easily done, Kaz. Can do that any time you want. I'm just not sure why it wouldn't be easier for you to just copy everything to the new forum...
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