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Jul 28, 2007 11:42:09 GMT
Post by Alrik on Jul 28, 2007 11:42:09 GMT
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Jul 28, 2007 14:08:20 GMT
Post by Galadriel on Jul 28, 2007 14:08:20 GMT
Very interesting, allthough I'm not good with the terms they use in that text
Time is indeed a difficult item, if it excists, why can't you hold it? Time can't be stopped and moves slower for one person and faster for the other. Time makes some people do boring things to pass it through, and others don't have enough time in one day. Why is it that when something happens, like an accident, time goes so slow, it's not really going slow but for you it goes slower and at the same time everything happened soo fast. Another thing I was wondering about, if one person lives in the US and another in Europe, were born on the same day, same hour, same second etc.. would they be equally in age? My husband says no, cause they would still be born 6 to 7 hours apart from each other, but I don't agree, he thinks that person in the US should be born on the same time as the one in Europe to be of the same age. Like april 5th, 6h.30m.55s am, in europe, would be april 4th, 10h.30m.55spm in the US. Is the same moment actually the same hour? If that doesn't make any sense, just let me know, cause I'm very confused as well ;D
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Jul 28, 2007 17:51:37 GMT
Post by ss on Jul 28, 2007 17:51:37 GMT
Time is only relevant to people who die... ;D
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Jul 29, 2007 9:41:46 GMT
Post by Alrik on Jul 29, 2007 9:41:46 GMT
I actually found in a high sensitivity forum a woman who was born on the same day as I was - not too far away from my town (only a few towns further). We already met on the monthly high sensitivity meetings. She's a nice person, who has lived in Bavaria for several years near to my favourite lake. Edit : By the way quantum physics has been kind of a hobby for me for some time (several years ag9: I'm still interested in that, but I'd need to buy more recent books to see what developments have been there in recent times. And The Alan Parsons Project once also made a song called "Time".
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Jul 29, 2007 11:30:09 GMT
Post by cleglaw on Jul 29, 2007 11:30:09 GMT
From the article:
Physics and spirituality meet.
Time is change.
Time is an illusion which keeps souls bound to this creation.
The Hindi word, Kal, is used for the negative power which rules this world (sometimes translated as the devil) also means both yesterday and tomorrow.
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Jul 29, 2007 14:53:55 GMT
Post by ss on Jul 29, 2007 14:53:55 GMT
From the article: Physics and spirituality meet. Time is change. Time is an illusion which keeps souls bound to this creation. The Hindi word, Kal, is used for the negative power which rules this world (sometimes translated as the devil) also means both yesterday and tomorrow. We believe the same thing Cleg...and believe that the Biblical "Transfiguration" in Matt, Mark, Luke. shows it.. "It was a unique moment, when time met eternity. Past, present and future merged into a single affirming event. It was as though the Lord placed His stamp and seal upon the comprehensive plan that we humans see as biblical history. The account of the transfiguration was more than a vision … more than a mere meeting of Jewish historical figures. It was a voyage into the future, and a preview of the Kingdom of God. There, on the mountaintop, Jesus, the King, met with Moses the lawgiver and Elijah, representative of the prophets. At that moment, Peter, James and John became witnesses to something phenomenally miraculous. Time was speeded up, revealing the far future. Or, perhaps it moved at a speed beyond light, into a place where time, as we know it, ceased to exist. Whatever the case, this world was forever stamped and sealed with the promise of the Kingdom. From that moment on, there could be no question about whether or not God's plan would be consummated. More to the point, the transfiguration proved that His plan has already been brought to completion." The word "transfigured" is translated from the Greek metamorphoo, meaning "to change into another form." An example from ordinary life is the butterfly that changes from a worm to a colorful creature endowed with the ability to fly. The transfiguration and ressurection are central to us and hitchhike (probably as a believed "fuller" revelation) on the Jewish beliefs.. "Even more than the promise of physical resurrection and glorification, the transfiguration is a powerful testimony of an ancient teaching about the glory of God. Among the Jews, there is a long tradition that God's glorious light is invisible to the present sinful human population. They believe that His spiritual light is thousands of times brighter than the sun. And they ask a question: If it is so bright, why then, can it not be seen? Rabbi Michael Munk, writing in The Wisdom in the Hebrew Alphabet (p. 174), briefly synopsizes Jewish history regarding this phenomenon: "Rabbi Dov Ber of Mezritch, successor to the Baal Shem Tov, explains that the great Primeval Light of Creation had been available to all, but when God saw that few people could be worthy of enjoying it, He concealed it. Where did He hide it? In the Torah. Therefore, through a diligent and unremitting pursuit of an understanding of the Torah, one can attain a measure of God's wisdom — revealed from between its lines and letters. That is the Primeval Light! As Zohar puts it: the words of the Torah are likened to a nut which has an outer shell while its kernel is securely preserved inside (Midrash HaNeelam, Ruth)." To Gentile ears, this might at first sound like a strange and superstitious folk tale. But the inner light of the Bible functions in exactly this way. Munk mentions a book called Zohar. Its title, meaning "radiance," is dedicated to Jewish conjectures about the nature of God's revelation. It regards His light as being hidden to the ordinary man. And though we might not agree with all its premises, the Bible does, in fact, reflect its central notion. In Hebrew, the Primeval Light is called ohr haganuz, meaning "hidden or stored light." It is the Light that is concealed in the Word. When Jesus came, He revealed this light to His followers … but only to His followers. Jewish religious authorities scoffed when once He told them explicitly that He was the source of the light: "Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life" (John 8:12)." I also (in my SERIOUSLY limited knowledge) believe Einstein had a grasp on it.... Actually the Bible has a lot to say about time...AND TIME TRAVEL...one would think it could have Sci-Fi connotations.... ;D
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Jul 29, 2007 15:10:12 GMT
Post by ss on Jul 29, 2007 15:10:12 GMT
I guess while I am on a roll, I will add that John's Gospel opens with a sort of metaphysical treatise that is a key to that ancient doctrine on "hidden light"....It is an unparalleled truth in its clarity. The early (or ancient as it were) teachers of Israel believed the Word was nothing less that the Creation itself. __________ John 1:1-11 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. "The same was in the beginning with God. "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. "In him was life; and the life was the light of men. "And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. "There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. "The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe. "He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. "That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. "He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. "He came unto his own, and his own received him not" _________ When Jesus came to Israel, it was as the Word. Jewish teaching states that God created the universe and everything in it by uttering the Word of Creation, spelled out by the twenty-two letters of the Hebrew alphabet. These letters are considered to be the virtual raw material of all Creation. This is what John was writing about Jesus in John 1:1-11.
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Jul 29, 2007 15:16:44 GMT
Post by Elliot Kane on Jul 29, 2007 15:16:44 GMT
Time is a purely human concept. I find it quite bizarre that they are trying to prove an existence for it outside of the human mind.
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Jul 30, 2007 14:56:40 GMT
Post by ss on Jul 30, 2007 14:56:40 GMT
And The Alan Parsons Project once also made a song called "Time". Didn't Pink Floyd's "Dark Side of The Moon" have a song called Time on it...??
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Aug 3, 2007 6:07:46 GMT
Post by killerzzz on Aug 3, 2007 6:07:46 GMT
"Tiiii-iii-ii-iiime is on my siiii-iiide; yes it is!!" I like Gal's idea about being born in different parts of the world, and I wanna expand on it in a pointless outrageous way. ;D One child is born at exactly 3:15. Two meters to the East, another child is born at exactly 3:15. Thats what the clock says. Now, who is born first? Because of the spinning of the earth, technically "time" is different from East to West. We have time-zones for a general idea, but really "time" is different at each metre. At each centimetre. At each milimetre. At each micrometre, etc. Right? "So the kid more to the West is born first, right? Cuz thats how the time zones work." Is it? What is further west of West? The East. So what if the second child is considered all the way around the world to the West? He must have been born HOURS earlier, right? ;D This is mind-boggling, and I like it. Time, as we see it, is a mesurement of the rotation of the earth, deviding how much you can see the sun (sorta). So where does time start? Nowhere? So back to that baby thing. If we can't say which of those two kids is born first, then we can say that one was born a fraction of a degree of the rotation of the earth DIFFERENT than the other one. There is no real time difference, just spin difference. This is hurting my head, but I'll keep going. Hang in there. So, if there is no difference there in who was born first, is there ANY difference? Was I born before you, or you, or you? Or was I simply born a certain amout of ROTATIONS apart from you? "Hey, Bob." "Yeah, Bill?" "You see that five-year-old kid over there?" "Uh, yeah." "Did you know that we were born at the same time, just a certain amout of earth-rotations apart? So we we're born at the same moment! just spins away!" "...Bill, you need to get out more." I guess the answer to all that depends on where you tuned your clock... I dunno; my brain is melted. All this thinking; it can't be good for you. Riddle me this, fellows. ;D Killerzzz P.S.: I thought it over carfully just now, and I think the answer is out there, just hard to explain. I sort of get it. Can anyone spell it out, cuz I know I can't right now. Yeah, I'm not even sure if alot of what I said made sense.
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Aug 9, 2007 17:47:39 GMT
Post by Konrad Flameheart on Aug 9, 2007 17:47:39 GMT
Time is a purely human concept. I find it quite bizarre that they are trying to prove an existence for it outside of the human mind. Err....No... Time is only a human concept because we haven't met any other life forms with whom we can communicate to discuss that matter. However it logically follows that any intellegent entity that is effected due to what we consider time (aging/decay etc) will also have formulated a theory on the subject. Weather time does exist on a universal level or not is irrelevent there will always be beings that messure their lives thus. And for what is worth, I do believe that time is a factor in the universe and as soon as i have a proof i'll let you all know... to be continued...at a later time...(or is it?)
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Aug 9, 2007 18:06:13 GMT
Post by Elliot Kane on Aug 9, 2007 18:06:13 GMT
Duration is a factor. Time may be something else...
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Aug 9, 2007 18:09:15 GMT
Post by Konrad Flameheart on Aug 9, 2007 18:09:15 GMT
Duration is an extension of time.
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Aug 9, 2007 18:11:25 GMT
Post by Elliot Kane on Aug 9, 2007 18:11:25 GMT
More of a sub-classification.
Time is usuallly viewed as a medium; duration is a measure.
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Aug 14, 2007 2:13:50 GMT
Post by cleglaw on Aug 14, 2007 2:13:50 GMT
Time is a purely human concept. I find it quite bizarre that they are trying to prove an existence for it outside of the human mind. Many animals conduct their activities according to routines which coincide with seasons, diurnal cycles, etc. Is it reasonable to assume that they live by "time", even though they obviously do not have the capacity to discuss it in the abstract?
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Aug 14, 2007 2:46:21 GMT
Post by Elliot Kane on Aug 14, 2007 2:46:21 GMT
Instinct, habit or both. Neither could be said to represent 'time'.
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Aug 14, 2007 21:16:36 GMT
Post by Alrik on Aug 14, 2007 21:16:36 GMT
And The Alan Parsons Project once also made a song called "Time". Didn't Pink Floyd's "Dark Side of The Moon" have a song called Time on it...?? On the album [The] "Turn Of A Friendly Card" (on gambling and play in general) there also is a song named "Time". I once found an article pointing out that old Mayan (?) (at least south- or middle-american natives) people point backwards when they mean the future. Also in words. This is unique within humanity. Younger ones don't do this anymore, they point forwards, like we do.
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Aug 20, 2007 18:46:06 GMT
Post by xthink on Aug 20, 2007 18:46:06 GMT
Time is a purely human concept. I find it quite bizarre that they are trying to prove an existence for it outside of the human mind. Many animals conduct their activities according to routines which coincide with seasons, diurnal cycles, etc. Is it reasonable to assume that they live by "time", even though they obviously do not have the capacity to discuss it in the abstract? True, time just exists because of patterns, a year is just the time needed for the earth to do a full circle (ellipse, whatever you like) around the sun. (Well give or take) A day is just the time needed for the earth to do a spin around itself (give or take). And it makes it easier to make appointments.
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Aug 28, 2007 9:31:47 GMT
Post by Dark Phoenix Rising on Aug 28, 2007 9:31:47 GMT
Time is a measure of events.
An Event is a change of some description.
Therefore as cleglaw said time is change, although really it's the measurement of change relative to other changes. Which brings me back to my first statement.
This is why when we are in a "hightened state" such as during/after an accident we experiance time as moving faster or slower (our brains are recording more or less information than normal).
Duration only has any meaning, or relevance when there is "time", and as such it is an aspect of time not the other way around.
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Aug 28, 2007 11:04:56 GMT
Post by Elliot Kane on Aug 28, 2007 11:04:56 GMT
That would make time a measure of the speed of change, DPR. Or possibly the medium in which the speed of change happens. Duration is the stop watch we use to measure out the chronal length of each specific event.
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