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Post by Alrik on Aug 27, 2007 14:31:07 GMT
Hello,
this is actually shocking.
Terrible fires are currently burning great woods down in Greece, many people died, at hope, in their cars, and a tragedy was when a convoy of fleeing cars crashed into a firecar on a small mountain pass, and the firecar which was meant to protect the people of the village and helkp them against the fire was destroyed - shortly after the accident, the flames burned it and the convoy as well. Too many people have died.
This is terrible. Speculations go that these fires were lit by people who wanted to buy the valueless burned grounds later on (like in Spain, there seemingly is a law for this, which results in many fires in Spain as well.)
The whole ecology will suffer greatly with the burnt woods. This is terrible. I almost don't know what to say.
Alrik
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Post by Galadriel on Aug 27, 2007 20:38:46 GMT
If that is true Alrik, those people should belong in jail. I've heard the news, but I thought it was a natural disaster, not done by humans.
It's indeed a tragedy, yet another forest goes up in flames, while Mother Earth has been damaged soo much already 
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Post by Elliot Kane on Aug 27, 2007 20:45:58 GMT
Jail for indiscriminate murder in the name of profit? I think there's a real case for a stronger punishment than that...
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Post by Alrik on Aug 27, 2007 21:19:58 GMT
Depends on the local law.
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Post by LaFille on Sept 2, 2007 4:05:13 GMT
That these fires would have been lit by people wanting to buy the properties at low cost is disgusting, and the human losses are awful.
The whole ecology won't suffer of it so much though; the area there is a biome where forest fires are an integrated part of the ecology and life cycles, like in California or Australia (it's called Mediterranean forests). The boreal forest here is like that too. In these, some dominant plants need fire absolutely in order to reproduce; for the seeds to germinate, they need the high temperature it provides. The fires also clear the land to favor their growth and the ashes/remains feed the soil; these plants are usually also very inflammable. The indigenous wildlife is probably also adapted to this reality, although the human development would reduce their chances. The smoke can be a problem though, and it's nasty on huge fires.
I hope the event will give some lessons, that the losses aren't too big for the people there to recover and that the rebuilding will go well.
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Post by Glance A'Lot on Sept 13, 2007 8:59:03 GMT
There are two points to be made in that:
1. The fires that have been laid for real estate speculation obviously aren't in the most remote places but near already existing urban developments.
2. And for those of you from the North American continent - this is Europe, which means it is densely populated. What we consider 'empty land' would be considered overcrowded in Texas. There isn't a place where you could walk 30 miles in a straight line without hitting signs of settlements. And, especially that area of Greece has been populated since 4 Millenia.
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Post by ss on Sept 13, 2007 14:18:36 GMT
Jail for indiscriminate murder in the name of profit? I think there's a real case for a stronger punishment than that... Concur...I'm for the Death Penalty....with "extreme prejudice" but then....I'm one of those radical Americans... ;D |
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Post by Glance A'Lot on Sept 14, 2007 10:29:24 GMT
I'm against the death penalty - as a radical European I'm for forced labour in relation to the crime - in this instance the replanting of the burnt trees by hand. The resulting back aches would enhance remorse considerably, I'm sure...
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Post by ss on Sept 14, 2007 13:14:03 GMT
How do you replace/replant the dead people..??
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Post by Glance A'Lot on Sept 26, 2007 7:56:09 GMT
Well, there's the story of the bees and the flowers...
I know what you mean, but do you believe killing even more is a solution?
Even blood feud societies ultimately put a 'price' on a life - corruption of a principle? Yes, sort of - nonetheless reasonable.
You killed he who ploughed my field? What does it help me to kill you? You plough my field!
(And believe me - you'd wish to be dead! ;D )
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Post by ss on Sept 26, 2007 17:33:03 GMT
Actually Glance, I would (personally) have no problem with the death penalty in a lot of cases. Like the Chinese execute drug traffickers (unless they are getting a payoff).. ;D However, without being hippocritical, I can really only justify it in the case of premediated murder. So my suggestion is "Don't put me in charge"...lest we get rid of a lot of the "riff-raff" (according to MY definitions)..  ;D |
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