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Post by Elliot Kane on Jun 22, 2005 4:14:05 GMT
I think Janggut makes an excellent point there - and one very worth thinking about...
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Post by tragic on Jun 22, 2005 12:37:29 GMT
I agree it can attract the corrupt..but i dont agree that if you have power you can never be corrupted...
Its a kind of chicken/egg situation.
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Post by Elliot Kane on Jun 22, 2005 12:46:05 GMT
Oh, people can certainly be corrupted if they end up with more power than they can handle. But I think the level of corruptibility is different from person to person, and also the things that would corrupt each one of us are different.
Those who deliberately seek power, though, are almost certainly those who are most corruptible. In the same way as it is a deep rooted inadequacy and self doubt that causes people to seek for fame, so it is a feeling of powerlessness or lack of control that causes people to seek power.
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Post by Dark Phoenix Rising on Jun 22, 2005 20:00:11 GMT
Oh I think it comes with the responsibility, I just don't think that most people give a rats arse about it quite frankly. After all power and responsability are seperate entities and I have been in a few jobs where I have the responsibility to do something but not the power to do it.
So in short power does come with responsibility, but you don't have to take the responsibility with the power.
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Post by metokhaesh on Jun 22, 2005 20:31:19 GMT
I have seen and worked for people who have had the power to make a difference, but they were not responsible enough to use that power to help their crew.
Metok ha'esh
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Post by janggut on Jun 23, 2005 5:43:56 GMT
actually i took the quote from one of the Dune books by Frank Herbert. found a lot of nice quotes which many seem to be quite true.
"I agree it can attract the corrupt..but i dont agree that if you have power you can never be corrupted..." tragic
i think u misconstrued my words there. what i meant was that power in itself does not corrupt. the person him/her self has to be susceptible enough to corruption for it to happen at such opportune times (when empowered for example).
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Post by Tsel on Jun 23, 2005 16:04:18 GMT
Here’s a wrench; but what about an individual that was raised all their life to wield their power in a certain way, a way that is corrupt. To the public that individual is wielding their power in a corrupt way, but to the individual they are wielding their power appropriately; because, that is the way they were taught to wield that power all of their life. Did power corrupt that person? Is that person truly corrupt? Have they been truly corrupted since they know no better? Tsel  |
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Post by Elliot Kane on Jun 23, 2005 16:13:01 GMT
Good question Tsel... I think I'm going to have to use my reality definitions on this one. Subjectively (By their own standards) they are clearly not corrupt, in that they are following the traditions and standards they have been taught. Consensually (In the opinions of the vast majority of other people) they are corrupt, because they are acting in a corrupt fashion. Not a very satisfying answer, I know  |
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Post by Tsel on Jun 23, 2005 16:17:44 GMT
;D It's the same answer I would have given. ;D Tsel  |
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Post by janggut on Jun 24, 2005 4:54:56 GMT
same here, guys. it depends on the where u stand & with what values to evaluate things.
just as how people in malaysia would complain that it's always the same political party that wins the elections which is why things go stagnant (that's what the opposition say). as for democracy & votes & stuff, well ...... .
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