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Post by ss on Dec 14, 2007 15:38:30 GMT
It's sad since Jews, Christians, and Muslims all have the same God; we just look at it different. =/ Uuh.....Not at all Lews.... Maybe in respect to "Creation" as they all believe in it..but after that I think it goes rather "belly up". (little tongue-in-cheek her)--in respect to the reality that there can only be one creator, and they all believe in that, I guess even if they don't KNOW it they all have the same God...just all don't know HIM... ;D Christianity believes (and is the ONLY one that believes) in a Triune God, revealed in the person of Jesus the Christ. Moslems treat Jesus as a prophet similar to one of the OT prophets..and equal to or less than Mohammed.... Jews absolutely reject Jesus as their prophesied Messsiah (which is God) and are still waiting for Elijah to come before their Messiah can appear. Jews believe in the God of the OT, but not the God of the NT..which Christianity considers the ultimate revelation of God to his created beings... Moslems believe in the God of the Koran..not at all the same..
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Post by Ubereil on Dec 14, 2007 15:54:20 GMT
Muslims acually DO believe that they believe in the same God as Christians. They believe Jesus was a prophet of that God just like Muhammed, and many prophets before him. So Muslims acually believes you DO believe in the same God, and that everyone else is following the wrong teaching of how to follow that God.
You pretty much are talking about the same God (Jews, Christians and Muslims), you just have some different ideas on some (pretty fundamental) aspects on that God (Christians believe Jesus was Messias, Jews doesn't and Muslims believes he was "merely" a prophet).
Übereil
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Post by Elliot Kane on Dec 14, 2007 17:29:59 GMT
Agreed, Lews. All that fighting isn't over the deity, it's over the book they prefer. It's just sad...
The Christians admit they worship the same god as the Jews. the Muslims admit they worship the same god as the Christians - ergo, it's all the same god.
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Post by ss on Dec 19, 2007 20:50:20 GMT
Agreed, Lews. All that fighting isn't over the deity, it's over the book they prefer. It's just sad... The Christians admit they worship the same god as the Jews. the Muslims admit they worship the same god as the Christians - ergo, it's all the same god. Again, I must disagree...and here is my reasoning for that. It most certainly IS about deity...Ask most people what Jesus' name was and they will say Jesus Christ...WRONG...Jesus is his name..according to custom it would be Jesus son of Joseph, or Jesus of Nazareth.. Christ is a Title...and Jews well know (and still do today) Christ is the term for God, as well as Jesus asking Simon Peter the interesting question "who do people say that I, the Son of Man, am? The Jews well knew (and still do today) that Son of Man is a direct reference to the OT Son of Man, who was God.. Why do they think the Jews hated Him so much and constantly tried to kill Him.."making himself equal with God"...?? The correct statement would be Jesus THE Christ. (Messiah) Or maybe better God incarnate in the Flesh, the revelation God gave of Himself to the Human Race. (Christianity's belief) Islam catagorically denies this.... Judaism catagorically denies this.... Trust me, Christians DO NOT believe in the God of the Koran (which has been stolen from the OT and transliterated/confused by Mohammed).. We DO however believe in the God of the OT as do the Jews, THEY just don't believe in the God of the NT.. Islam believes in the God of the OT insofar as is convenient for them to accept Abraham who was the father of Issac and Ishmael (the fathers of Judaism and Islam). they well know that the Bible blesses Issac and gave him and his decendents a perpetual covenant that WILL NOT END that included a "Land Grant" from the "River in Egypt to the Euphrates". Moslems KNOW this, Mohammed knew this, so "wallah" the Koran which subverts it so Ishamel is numero uno vice Issac... This ain't rocket science.....but it does require true objectivity on the writings...not necessarily whether one has faith in them, but what they actually say....Islam did not start until around 7 or 800 AD....that in itself should be clarification on that issue.. So other that all 3 believing in a "creator god" we really DO NOT have much in common as people think..
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Post by Elliot Kane on Dec 19, 2007 21:12:07 GMT
Objectively, isn't 'The Messiah' supposed to be God's servant, rather than God Himself according to the Torah? The Torah says: here is God. The Bible says: here is God, but the rules have changed. The Koran says: here is God but the rules have changed again. Each religion was built upon alterations to the one(s) that went before, yet there seem to be very few people willing to say it's the same deity. It's no wonder that those of us who are non-believers are so confused... I think religious people would do better generally to accept the Sikh view: "All gods are but aspects of the one god, and the way you worship him is not important." A lot more tolerant, a lot less room for all the craziness. I like Buddhism, too: "Get on with everyone; seek enlightenment."
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Post by Lews on Dec 19, 2007 23:28:00 GMT
They all agree its the same God, but the Jews and the Muslims don't believe Jesus was the son of God. They believe he was a prophet.
All religions, imo, look at the same truth, just through different windows because of their upbringing, culture, history, etc.
Everyone worships the same Creator, they're just confused about the details.
Unfortunately people pay too much attention to the details, and not enough to the message. Be a good person is really the message. =/ The rest is just fluffing. I honestly think God will let in good atheists into heaven before he lets bad Christians.
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Post by ss on Dec 20, 2007 1:26:04 GMT
They all agree its the same God, but the Jews and the Muslims don't believe Jesus was the son of God. They believe he was a prophet. All religions, imo, look at the same truth, just through different windows because of their upbringing, culture, history, etc. Everyone worships the same Creator, they're just confused about the details. Unfortunately people pay too much attention to the details, and not enough to the message. Be a good person is really the message. =/ The rest is just fluffing. I honestly think God will let in good atheists into heaven before he lets bad Christians. Granted they think Jesus was a prophet,,,In fact he was...they just deny his divinity... But as for the "message" -- I am not trying to nit-pick, but the message IS NOT, I repeat IS NOT to be a good person.... It may well be in Islam, Buddism, Hinduism, or any other Ism, but in Christianity, the message is simple... The Human Race is "fallen" and CANNOT by nature of that "falleness in sin" do ANYTHING good or please that Creator at all...Christianity teaches "original sin" and condemnation to "hell" because of it (representative) unless "redeemed" (bought back) by Christ in his substitutionary atonement and the individuals faith in His work on the cross as your substitute. I truly do not know how many other World religions believe in a concept of "original sin"..good thing to check out.. That is definitely different that say, Hinduism, which thinks that reincarnation is required untill you reach a stage of "Nirvana" which means you cease to be reincarnated cause you have finally reached it...(some plane of existence-which I could never quite grasp) Any evangelistic message from the pulpit of a Christian church is never to be good, it is to "repent and be saved".... edit: how would he view a good athiest..?? ;D
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Post by Lews on Dec 20, 2007 2:20:59 GMT
Imo all the 'repent and be saved people' should shut the hell up. Who would God like better?
A) A Person who has repented, and yet keeps doing unfair things and stealing money, etc.
B) An Athiest who donates to charity, tries to be nice, etc.
And the whole repent and die thing is all churches. They just want money.
In the Bible when someone asks Jesus 'whats the most important law?' he does NOT say 'repent and believe in me.' He says 'do unto others and you would have done to you.' or something of that caliber. Then he adds believing in God.
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Post by Elliot Kane on Dec 20, 2007 3:23:28 GMT
That's Buddhism AFAIK, Hinduism does not teach there is ever an end to the Cycle of Reincarnation.
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