Solar cycles cause global warming

[Dark Phoenix Rising]

Not anymore apparently

[Elliot Kane]

Good find, DPR!

Someone needs to tell our idiot govt, apparently

[ss]

One question...which I have not investigated at all, someone might have, but here it is.

Since the invention of the combustion engine, and the coal fired engine, why is it only now that we see this cataclysmic change in the atmosphere?

We been burning coal for 200 years or so...much more that we do now, so why is it NOW affecting the planet to the degree some scientists are claiming?

[Dark Phoenix Rising]

ss - it's probably because with the rate of increase in the amount of fossil fuels we've been burning it's only became apparent in the last 50 odd years that something was going on. Then add the time it takes to work out what is going wrong.

Another possiblity is that the changes are now very visible and so it's not just the scientists that are going Eh? (e.g. when I was a child we had snow every winter and went sleding on the local hills, and built snow men in the garden. Now we're lucky to have snow that lasts a day, let alone long enough to play in it).

[ss]

Apr 16, 2008 9:50:03 GMT Dark Phoenix Rising said:

ss - it's probably because with the rate of increase in the amount of fossil fuels we've been burning it's only became apparent in the last 50 odd years that something was going on. Then add the time it takes to work out what is going wrong.

Another possiblity is that the changes are now very visible and so it's not just the scientists that are going Eh? (e.g. when I was a child we had snow every winter and went sleding on the local hills, and built snow men in the garden. Now we're lucky to have snow that lasts a day, let alone long enough to play in it).

True about the snow...same thing where I am from in West Virginia in the mountains..

Might be a plausable explanation.. Tks.

[LaFille]

I think that both points are right... IIRC the current theory about global warming caused by our emissons of greenhouse gas was only aroused first by a scientist in the 70s, and it took a long time before it became widely spread, investigated more and [relatively] accepted. I think that the international coordinated efforts on the matter like the IPCC only exist since the 90's, 80's at the earliest.

The peaks in warm temperatures only occured recently too, in the past 15 years or so, and the production of greenhouse gas/loss of forests increased much more since the second half of the 20th century than ever before.

The first sections of these documents (in .pdf) by the IPCC describe the current generally accepted "concensus" about the recent climate change signs and causes:
Summary of the Climate change 2007 Synthesis report
Summary of the report of the Working Group 1.

[ss]

Apr 17, 2008 4:31:58 GMT LaFille said:

I think that both points are right... IIRC the current theory about global warming caused by our emissons of greenhouse gas was only aroused first by a scientist in the 70s, and it took a long time before it became widely spread, investigated more and [relatively] accepted. I think that the international coordinated efforts on the matter like the IPCC only exist since the 90's, 80's at the earliest.

The peaks in warm temperatures only occured recently too, in the past 15 years or so, and the production of greenhouse gas/loss of forests increased much more since the second half of the 20th century than ever before.

The first sections of these documents (in .pdf) by the IPCC describe the current generally accepted "concensus" about the recent climate change signs and causes:
Summary of the Climate change 2007 Synthesis report
Summary of the report of the Working Group 1.

Wow! Fille, thanks for saying we only needed to read the first sections, them suckers got deep fast...you explained it much better... ;D

[LaFille]

Thanks, I think... Was question of providing source material. ;D They call those things "summaries", and the first one even a "summary of a synthesis report" so we can easily imagine the actual reports.