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Post by Elliot Kane on Aug 15, 2008 18:51:36 GMT
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Post by kitty on Aug 15, 2008 21:07:22 GMT
Well a bit of the old story, WHATEVER you drink/eat too much, will make you ill. Eating a full adult meal at maccas also clogs your blood, still we eat it...most of us  |
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Post by met on Aug 15, 2008 22:57:02 GMT
The thing I find most worrying is " “The study does not show effects which would go beyond that of drinking a cup of coffee. Therefore, the reported results were to be expected and lie within the normal physiological range,” better go get more coffee - before it gets banned!  |
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Post by kitty on Aug 16, 2008 0:43:34 GMT
If they'd baned anything that risks our health, we would all starve to death very soon.
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Post by The Sonar Chicken on Aug 16, 2008 2:28:50 GMT
I don't know... I used to drink that stuff 1 to 2 cans at a go and after a while, started having trouble breathing* and having problems with my heart and stuff... I stopped drinking it not 'cos of these effects but 'cos it stopped working for me. Even increasing the no. of cans to 3 didn't really work for me.
But let's be honest here. Any drink that claims to give you such a high energy boost can't all be that good, can it? Unless it's constant energy, it seems a bit fishy that it doesn't have any noted medical effect on many. Anyways... from some of the comments on that article page: perhaps it isn't Taurine by itself that has an issue but maybe the formula?
*I do have a bit of respiratory issues but those are very much in control and as long as I avoid too much smoke, allergens and stuff... I don't need medicine and have no wish to be addicted to medicine.
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Post by kitty on Aug 16, 2008 19:51:44 GMT
A giant amount of sugar also gives you heart troubles - so what? If people get reactions to it, they should stop drinking, I'd say.
I find that a bit overdramatic like so much of the health matters nowaday...
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Post by The Sonar Chicken on Aug 16, 2008 20:53:51 GMT
Well, the problem isn't just the "reactions" but the fact that some might like... suffer near-fatal health risks that could literally kill them. I do know that some brands have appropriate health warnings but I'm not so sure about Red Bull.
Yes, I've heard that they're trying to investigate if there're any possible links between Red Bull and various deaths. I hope there isn't a link but who knows?
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Post by LaFille on Aug 17, 2008 5:31:21 GMT
That's a lot about insidious maketing practices and bad education; caffeine, whatever the intake form, remains caffeine and the guidelines that apply to coffee consumption apply to those of energy drinks proportionally. Almost anybody who drinks 8 cups of coffee in a row will have disturbing effects and be prone to palpitations or worse...
There are other brands that are even more delicate though, those in which the caffeine is present from multiple sources (often those promoted as natural vegetal stimulants) and in which the caffeine quantity isn't thus labeled accurately, or those that mix all kinds of active stuff for which the interactions aren't well-known. There is no miracle drug and moderation is always best with any food or drug, natural or not...
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Post by kitty on Aug 17, 2008 13:56:48 GMT
Well, the problem isn't just the "reactions" but the fact that some might like... suffer near-fatal health risks that could literally kill them. I do know that some brands have appropriate health warnings but I'm not so sure about Red Bull. Yes, I've heard that they're trying to investigate if there're any possible links between Red Bull and various deaths. I hope there isn't a link but who knows? But seriously, isn't that people's responsibility? That is very smilar to the whole obesity problem, people KNOW exactly that they live unhealthy, they KNOW that fastfood is fat & crap pressed in a burger and they SEE that it damages their bodies through making them fat, giving them diabetes, breathing troubles, heart troubles... but they still do it. I find it a bit stupid to blame the foodindustry for something people choose to do. Red Bull has coffeeine and Taurin in it - everybody knows what esepcially coffeeine does to you - so telling Red Bull they should write it on their cans wouldn't change a thing - apart from giving the foodindustry a even wrose name though PEOPLE buy this crap. That reminds me on the case where someone in america sued the producers of microwaves because they didn't write in their instructions that you shouldn't put pets in them. Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. - Albert EInstein. |
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Post by Elliot Kane on Aug 17, 2008 14:17:42 GMT
You'd be surprised at the number of people who have no idea of what 'everyone knows' in this world... ;D
The vast majority certainly never bother to find out what is in anything they are eating and drinking. They assume if it were bad for them it would be banned (Or at the least if it were toxic ;D).
Red Bull is illegal in a number of countries, so clearly it's borderline. But before reading that article, I had no idea it was illegal anywhere.
Not that I ever drink the stuff anyway, but still...
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Post by kitty on Aug 17, 2008 14:21:51 GMT
You'd be surprised at the number of people who have no idea of what 'everyone knows' in this world... ;D The vast majority certainly never bother to find out what is in anything they are eating and drinking. They assume if it were bad for them it would be banned (Or at the least if it were toxic ;D). Red Bull is illegal in a number of countries, so clearly it's borderline. But before reading that article, I had no idea it was illegal anywhere. Not that I ever drink the stuff anyway, but still... Fair enough. But if you realize you go fat or get heart trouble from something and you are NOT clever enough to stop what you ate/drank - you are too stupid to read any warning sign anyway... *mumbles* |
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Post by Elliot Kane on Aug 17, 2008 14:31:35 GMT
IF you know the cause... In the case of fat people, IF you have the willpower and the sheer tenacity to get fit again. Don't forget, a lot of people over-eat because they are deeply unhappy, so that fat is a symptom and the cause must first be treated. Don't forget also that some people naturally run to fat and it's a constant effort for them to keep anything like a healthy figure. Fat is a more complex issue than you'd think  |
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Post by kitty on Aug 17, 2008 14:35:48 GMT
I know it is. But the natural possible fat people are a rare thing but an excellent excuse for so many.
But hey I'm biased, I had a heated discussion in another forum not long ago about if "naturally skinny" and "naturally fat" exist.
EDIT: I'm very sorry for my horrible english >.<'
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Post by The Sonar Chicken on Aug 17, 2008 14:37:58 GMT
Well... not everyone is that well-acquainted with "chemical terminology". And yes, I know the problems of caffeine but how about the other ingredients?
It's not like you could do a search on the net and expect to immediately come up with some well-written, non-biased information* on everything listed. Attaining at a clear conclusion as to what a certain chemical is and how it works, sometimes takes hours of research and reading the right sources. Unfortunately? I think sometimes life is too fast-paced and is too short for some people to even have the time to do all the required reading.
Btw, I'm sure you're aware that many imported products don't come in the standard language used by your country/society. Sometimes and quite often, Red Bull in my country comes from Thailand or Malaysia and it's often printed in Thai or Malay or Chinese, not English. Or if it's direct from Denmark, then it's in Danish.
* Btw, I might come off as a conspiracy maniac but I've often found that many medical and scientific reports are sometimes slightly or largely skewed, especially when the "said organisations/people/teams involved" have self-serving interests or are linked to the very companies who manufacture the products/chemicals they're trying to research/investigate.
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Post by Elliot Kane on Aug 17, 2008 14:38:54 GMT
As someone who's naturally thin, I'd have to say yes. They do. With several years of weight training I got to 'lean'. I'll never be fat unless I deliberately go out of my way to try for it and even then only maybe. I have friends who are the reverse.
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Luci - totally agree.
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Post by kitty on Aug 17, 2008 14:41:19 GMT
^ luci, ok I give you that, scientific language is a failure, cause it doesn't help anybody, true that.
But (the favorite word ;D) if you know one ingredient, like coffee, why would you bother drink it anyway?
But I guess I am biased again...
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Post by kitty on Aug 17, 2008 14:43:32 GMT
As someone who's naturally thin, I'd have to say yes. They do. With several years of weight training I got to 'lean'. I'll never be fat unless I deliberately go out of my way to try for it and even then only maybe. I have friends who are the reverse. Yep I am parz of the skinny section, even super-skinny section by nature and how often did I have to discuss with people about the "realness" of natural skinnyness. But I only encountered one natural fat person in my life and he struggled hard to stay not too overweight. But the real obesed people, in my humble opinion, are not naturally like that unless they have a condition. |
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Post by Elliot Kane on Aug 17, 2008 14:46:43 GMT
The condition for such people is having a naturally large frame. It's true that they can control it by constant exercise, but their 'natural state' is to be overweight.
Sure, they're rare. But so are naturally thin people...
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Post by kitty on Aug 17, 2008 14:50:07 GMT
The condition for such people is having a naturally large frame. It's true that they can control it by constant exercise, but their 'natural state' is to be overweight. Sure, they're rare. But so are naturally thin people... Are you sure? I have the - of course not scientific - feeling there are much more natural slim people than naturally fat. It's just that naturally slim people nowadays often go fat through leading a horrible lifestyle. But that is far from anything that I can proof. (prove? hm) |
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Post by The Sonar Chicken on Aug 17, 2008 14:57:48 GMT
^ luci, ok I give you that, scientific language is a failure, cause it doesn't help anybody, true that. But (the favorite word ;D) if you know one ingredient, like coffee, why would you bother drink it anyway? But I guess I am biased again... Uhm 'cos caffeine(just like Vitamin C) is only dangerous if consumed in large quantities. And I doubt they pump in that much into 1 can of RB. Yes, I'm quite sure it's the "formula" and not the individual ingredients that has such a disastrous effect on many. Many chemicals are pretty harmless on their own in moderate amounts but when mixed in conjunction with others, the result is not as pretty(as most of us have probably learnt from our chemical lab sessions in our schooldays). |
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