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Post by Terrordar on Dec 15, 2008 10:16:35 GMT
There are few places left in Africa, now with 97% of the Elephants habitat and population destroyed, even the last few thousand now, apparently, are under siege from people in Darfur, predominantly arabic horsemen.
Apparently trying to earn funds for their little conflict through Ivory.
Is it just me, or does anyone else agree that military action should be taken against Shark Fishermen and Ivory Hunters?
Just due to the ecological damage these idiots are causing, I think they should all have their arms amputated, and then dropped into the sea (Much as they do to the sharks, who are left finless in the water and die at the bottom of the sea unable to breath, dying in agony with no limbs).
And I mean it to. Why do people tolerate this? Its going to cause huge problems for US in the long term, and its unnecessarily cruel and idiotic?
I'm not exactly a Wildlife preserver myself, but I mean really, its only common sense removing the main link pins in a few food chains will destroy the entire ecosystems and the economies associated with them.
There are only a few thousand elephants left. And we are killing 100,000,000 sharks a year.
Its disgusting.
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Post by Elliot Kane on Dec 15, 2008 10:37:31 GMT
The only way to stop all human evil is to exterminate the race. Not that we aren't doing a pretty good of that already, mind, but still... In principle, I agree that we need to stop this kind of thing from happening. In practise, it's pretty much impossible, sadly  |
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Post by Dark Phoenix Rising on Dec 15, 2008 14:17:45 GMT
Realistically the only way the people that can't see the bigger picture are going to learn is a) when they return to their pre-christian religions or b) when they kill something that everything else relies on, and suddenly their ecowhatsit disappears and they end up suffering because of it. a) would be a fair guarentee, but I'm somewhat doubtful that b) would work.
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Post by Elliot Kane on Dec 15, 2008 15:13:02 GMT
Your a) won't work either. Humans have NEVER seen the larger picture. Your b) would be bees, which is a real possibility, scarily...
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Post by Terrordar on Dec 15, 2008 18:36:50 GMT
Actually, in China, they've lost all their bees in a few provinces, so they have to hand pollinate, and the locals there sure are sorry they killed all their bees... >.>
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Post by Lews on Dec 15, 2008 18:44:22 GMT
We're running out of bees everywhere. Way to go humanity!
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Post by ss on Dec 15, 2008 21:57:20 GMT
Realistically the only way the people that can't see the bigger picture are going to learn is a) when they return to their pre-christian religions or b) when they kill something that everything else relies on, and suddenly their ecowhatsit disappears and they end up suffering because of it. a) would be a fair guarentee, but I'm somewhat doubtful that b) would work. Not to get off track, but how would "pre-christian" religions show me the big picture..  Is that implying that Christians DON'T see the big picture....?? Maybe we are looking at two different pictures... ;D |
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Post by Elliot Kane on Dec 15, 2008 22:05:56 GMT
You are. DPR is looking at a romanticised version of 'Pre-Christian religion'. Either that, or he's in favour of human sacrifice, of course ;D
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Post by Lews on Dec 16, 2008 1:16:53 GMT
It appeased the gods god dammit Elliot.
Can't you see that??
WE MUST GO BACK TO OUR TRIBAL WAYS TO APPEASE THEM OR ALL SHALL SUFFER AND A HUNDRED THOUSAND WILL BE PUT TO THE SOUND ON THIS DAY.
Or something like that. Maybe sword instead of sound. Who knows.
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Post by Elliot Kane on Dec 16, 2008 1:24:26 GMT
You have totally convinced me, Lews! Why, if I had a first born son, I'd be sacrificing him this very instant! ;D
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Post by Lews on Dec 16, 2008 1:38:14 GMT
Damn straight.
Sacrifice the first born son, then go attack some villages. Who knows, if you killed enough people they might be appeased.
Sounds like I'm reading the Apocrypha all over again.
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Post by LaFille on Dec 16, 2008 5:31:40 GMT
If it was only sharks and elephants it wouldn't be so bad; extinctions always occurred and things ended up re-balancing well. It's the amount and speed at which it goes right now that's worrisome and forecasts dramatic consequences. Also, I find more worrisome when it's creatures that are at the base of the food chain or that shape habitat that are massively threatened... Right now one of those such with a very bad prognostic to keep an eye on are Corals; that's even worse and having even more impact than the bees situation. Usually preys can feed a range of predators, so if there's more than one predator around the other will take over; populations of preys or habitats being destroyed are more difficult to be rebuilt/re-balanced. Any specie destroyed by our excesses is an incredible shame, however, and a loss for us as much indeed. |
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Post by Alrik on Dec 16, 2008 10:20:49 GMT
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Post by Elliot Kane on Dec 16, 2008 10:29:23 GMT
Nothing would surprise me less, sadly.
Though in this case, one of the possible side effects is the extinction of most other life outside of the sea as the ecology is SO dependent on bees...
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Post by Terrordar on Dec 16, 2008 10:37:27 GMT
And remember, the seas are astoundingly reliant on Sharks.
How many fish do you think will be in the northern hemisphere if nothing is killing the seals?
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Post by The Sonar Chicken on Dec 16, 2008 12:55:38 GMT
Ooh now I feel guilty 'cos, we'd shark fin soup(just a small bowl) and a bit of shark fin dim sum on 2 occasions. I tried to turn it down but everyone was insistent on it. Btw, I rarely eat it and have tried to educate my family but it's all falling on deaf ears.
Actually, I wonder why no one's tried to raise and breed sharks in farms like they do for many types of fish. In fact, though it's true that overfishing has led to mass depletion of fishes, a lot of fish these days also come from farms. I mean, if they managed to breed high quality sharks, then they could charge a premium for it.
And btw, I don't really buy into a lot of that "animal cruelty" thing about sharks. Sure, plants feel pain and scream too when we pull out their stems, leaves, fruits and flowers yet no one's complained about that. In fact, I'm sure some of these plants are still half-alive when tossed into the pot or wok.
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Post by Dark Phoenix Rising on Dec 16, 2008 16:13:49 GMT
Realistically the only way the people that can't see the bigger picture are going to learn is a) when they return to their pre-christian religions or b) when they kill something that everything else relies on, and suddenly their ecowhatsit disappears and they end up suffering because of it. a) would be a fair guarentee, but I'm somewhat doubtful that b) would work. Not to get off track, but how would "pre-christian" religions show me the big picture.. Is that implying that Christians DON'T see the big picture....?? Maybe we are looking at two different pictures... ;D Pre-christian religions tended to be more localised, and enshrined in the word of the gods the though shalts and shalt nots of living in the environment they were founded. Yes they tended to be very heavy handed with people that weren't part of the religion, but with regards to the environment - they tended to promote respect for it. |
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Post by Elliot Kane on Dec 16, 2008 16:17:51 GMT
The problem with humans is the sheer voracity of our species. We have no real concept of long term thinking, no idea what long term planning even means (Especially true in Democracies where out 'leaders' rarely think beyond the next election) and are far too often ruled entirely by greed.
So we blunder stupidly from one disaster to the next with no concept of what repercussions we are building up for ourselves and the world.
As a species, we are, frankly, an embarrassment.
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Post by Dark Phoenix Rising on Dec 16, 2008 16:37:16 GMT
I'm not sure that any other species could be said to have that ability either.
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Post by Elliot Kane on Dec 16, 2008 16:38:15 GMT
They don't. But that's no excuse for us...
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