Racism:

[Terrordar]

You know what? This may shock many of you here. But I'm a racist.



I know, no one saw this coming. Neither did I, honestly, but I am. I am not a White nationalist, former SS officer with an agenda (Unlike our board administrator, Heinrich Himmler, also known as Elliot Kane >.>), but I do take prejudices on some groups of people based off what race they are. And you know what? I've done this post to basically cement something here, something that is somewhat of a local problem, in Canada.

"Canadian Indians take rare break from gas huffing…to disrupt the lives of other Canadians who have actual jobs, and whose extorted tax dollars keep said Indians in booze, smokes and junk food. Not to mention free everything else, including university educations they don’t bother getting…Dear Indians: we gave you liquor, you gave us smokes. I call it even."

I was reading a website today when I saw someone be critical of this post, and you know what? It irritated me. The person being critical was an America, who basically said we should think better. But what I've come to find, living in this country for the majority, vast majority, of 23 years, is that things that are said about the natives, are often true.

In my nation, Natives are given land claims, they are allowed to be ARMED, whilst protesting, and purposely block traffic with paramilitary activities without major reprisal. They are given money, every month, in the thousands of dollars. They do not, I repeat, do NOT pay any form of taxes, whether it be federal, provincial, or municipal. They are provided with free housing and free education.

Almost all natives drop out of school before graduating.

Almost all natives have some form of substance abuse problems.

Most natives are on wellfare, as well as their government pay bonuses.

Most natives live on reserves, which are unhygenic, uneducation friendly, and often foster extremists who hate white people.

Most natives believe that they are being [Censored]ed by the man, and that secretly white people are out to get them (and now brown people too)

The most common addiction on native properties is amongst children, besides alcohol of course, who now huff gas fumes, causing themselves major brain damage over their child hood.

The majority of native children are born with fetal alcohol syndrome, in Canada.

Criminals are vastly disproportionately, you guessed it, Native on a per capita basis.




And they expect me to not be a racist. When every single native I've met, ever, even amongst people I once called friend, fall into this category.



I know its wrong to classify a whole group of people, but really, at what point do people finally hunker down and admit, that some racism isn't exactly unjustified. I'd never trust a native with money. They'd spend it on meth, gas, or alcohol. Like they do millions every year, courtesy of the Canadian tax payer.

[fughawzi]

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Okay, I'm going to stay out of this section so that I don't lose faith in humanity and possibly feed everyone poisoned cookies.

[kitty]

Dearest Terre,

I'm German (GERMAN!!! The evil people! The people who flinch when someone asks for their nationality or hear the word "jew", because they know trouble's coming their way) and I'm living in Australia.

I come across drunken, drugged, dirty, smelly, uneducated Australian Natives every single day.

And I feel sorry for them.

They get free education, no taxes, free housing, free clothes, free holidays and they do not take any of it.

Do I wonder why? No.
People took away their homeland, their history, their traditions (and in Australia, a whole generation of kids) and replaced all this with talks about being clean, civilized and educated.

Just imagine you were in there shoes. Imagine you'd be judged daily by your skin color, the shape of your face, stupid 'indian' stories etc

The only thing that I would be in rage about myself is that they are allowed to be armed. But then again, why is anyone allowed to be armed?!

PS: I'm quite sure 'indians' would hate you calling them that. It's natives or indigenous people as far as I'm aware.

And indians (from india) very likely aren't too thrilled about being called 'brown people' either.

[Terrordar]

I didn't call them "Indians", that was the post of someone else I was quoting. I called them natives, which is what we refer to them as in Canada.

Here is the only thing I have to add to your response however-

I could give a [Censored]if they were crushed under foot. Germany was too, if you hadn't noticed, and despite the fact that Germany is declining economically, and people have little respect for themselves due to World War II, and many people fear nationalism would immediately lead back to national socialism, Germans are a respectable people who don't huff gas.


At some point you stop feeling sorry. I could give a [Censored]if they were crushed. Heres the thing, in Canada, they weren't crushed.

The history of the natives in Canada is FAR more dark. The natives themselves won't admit to this, but the modern natives of Canada, are the descendants of the Natives who sided with the British, and literally wiped out, and scalped the other tribes in Canada who sought to resist British rule. Thats right, the Natives of today are the natives who butchered the others, who wanted to defend their homeland. But at the same time, aren't we supposed to be beyond the ethnic world? Isn't that what the west always goes on about, that somehow people are all past where they are from. Like, I could care less about Poland, right? Well the truth is much uglier than an ideal world. I care a lot about Poland, a nation I've never been to, but it is my ancestor's land.

These people's ancestor's didn't just lose their land, they GAVE it away... for basic things, and then killed the noble people seeking to defend themselves and their lands by and large.

But really, it was ALL the evil white men. I spit on their short sighted ancestors. The only natives I feel sorry for are the ones who were betrayed by their neighbors and brothers, and scalped by their own people just for seeing the land as a whole as something that couldn't be given up for simple trading items.

And the stupid native jokes that we hear today? Are all modern. They aren't from the past, oh no, they are from these people making fools of themselves, and stealing from the public treasuring.

[twoheadedragon]

Terreda,
You can't hate an entire race! I was really hoping that racism had been kicked off this forum! I once posted a "racist" joke conspiracy theory, but I was quick to point it out as a joke. I hope you do the same. If you truly feel racist, keep it to yourself. I respect the Inuit people greatly, and so should you (goodness gracious, you live there!).

[The Sonar Chicken]

Well, TD's got a lot of anger so what better to do than to hate something in its' entirety, even if the hate and anger do eat at you eventually?

[twoheadedragon]

Jul 28, 2009 8:09:43 GMT The Sonar Chicken said:

Well, TD's got a lot of anger so what better to do than to hate something in its' entirety, even if the hate and anger do eat at you eventually?

Hm, I see... Well, hopefully he can get over it very soon, otherwise it'll just eat at him until there's only hatred left... I've seen it change people (I'm sure most of us have), please TD, don't go down that road.

[Terrordar]

Note, I've actually made posts on this forum defending the traditional inuit's way of life in the Northern Territories of Canada. This region is not the region I am speaking about.

I work in a region, and have seen around my country, that typically when someone is native it often means they are grosely uneducated and have a substance abuse problem. They have the most problems of any demographic across the country.






The point of this thread is to not just call me a bigot (which I am, and will openly admit to.), but to have a discussion on this as well. At what point does racism become a reality over a stereotype.


If I judged my encounter with just a *few* people from demographics. I'd hate everyone on the planet. Indians, Slavs, Franks, Germans, English, Scots, Africans, French, Arabs, Chinese, Koreans, Japanese, Russiski, and many other groups.

But you know what, from across the board, I've met people from all those places who are douchebags, and people who are great. From those regions I've met people who are failures and match stereotypes, and those who are successes and break barriers.


I have met natives who have nearly done this, and then fall back into substance abuse. This is the one group of people on this planet I can firmly say beyond all other, I judge as a whole except in two distinct cases, and almost all the numbers, and their own misery, is the evidence for it.

Its like calling a model T black.

[twoheadedragon]

Well, surely SOME of them lead successful lives? Ah, where are the other Canadians? Fille, please help us here?

A lot depends on the way you look at things, and what you're looking for. I guarantee, if you're looking for "Natives" who lead successful, clean lives, you'll find some. But if you're looking for the uneducated ones, who's lives have been messed up by substance abuse or other reasons, you'll find it. Because generally, you find what you're looking for.

I'm telling you man, you can't hate an entire race, nor can you judge an entire race by the actions of a few people.

P.S. The Model T was not only in Black, only from 1914-1926. This was most of it's market life, I know, but not all of it. Think about that.

P.P.S. *joke* You mentioned both Franks AND French, any particular hatred aimed at those people? ;D

[janggut]

sounds like the natives in Canada especially in BC are very privileged. wish the natives here are as privileged.

[Terrordar]

The most successful natives who live in my province live in a region called Kelowna. Its one of the only regions I have respect for (other than the traditional Inuit of the north). Though I've only personally met the Okanagan natives once, and that too was under bad terms interestingly, due to how they use their land claims in the region to bully people. How interesting. >.>

The Okanagan natives however, are the least likely to have substance abuse issues, and live in an area thats not a shithole.

Golly. One tribe of almost all of them makes use of the MILLIONS they are given yearly. How kind of them.

[twoheadedragon]

Jul 28, 2009 8:55:35 GMT Terrordar said:

The most successful natives who live in my province live in a region called Kelowna. Its one of the only regions I have respect for (other than the traditional Inuit of the north). Though I've only personally met the Okanagan natives once, and that too was under bad terms interestingly, due to how they use their land claims in the region to bully people. How interesting. >.>

The Okanagan natives however, are the least likely to have substance abuse issues, and live in an area thats not a shithole.

Golly. One tribe of almost all of them makes use of the MILLIONS they are given yearly. How kind of them.

You find what you look for...

Millions HAS to be an exaggeration, unless you mean Indonesian Rupiah (10,000 makes 1 USD). Yeah, that makes sense.

[Dark Phoenix Rising]

Personally I think there are 2 forms of racism, one of which is a semi healthy view and one that is distructive.

1) Group as a whole - I hate the French because they are all such stuck up...
However when you meet someone that is french, chances are you'll treat them like anyone else and decide they are an exception (if they prove to be so).
2) Targeted - Look he's french, he's must be a stuck up...
This is distructive because when you meet someone that's french your pre-conceptions get in the way, and you never give the person a chance.

From what Terror said, I think that he has the former - all natives are substance abusers, so I'll be careful when dealing with them, but they're not all like that so I'll keep an open mind.

(key words like most, almost all, etc)

[twoheadedragon]

Jul 28, 2009 9:55:21 GMT Dark Phoenix Rising said:

Personally I think there are 2 forms of racism, one of which is a semi healthy view and one that is distructive.

1) Group as a whole - I hate the French because they are all such stuck up...
However when you meet someone that is french, chances are you'll treat them like anyone else and decide they are an exception (if they prove to be so).
2) Targeted - Look he's french, he's must be a stuck up...
This is distructive because when you meet someone that's french your pre-conceptions get in the way, and you never give the person a chance.

From what Terror said, I think that he has the former - all natives are substance abusers, so I'll be careful when dealing with them, but they're not all like that so I'll keep an open mind.

(key words like most, almost all, etc)

Ah, that makes a lot of sense. Thanks DPR!
It's good you use the French as an example (it also addresses my joke about Franks and French), I liked it a lot! ;D (by blood, I am only 1/8th French)

[Terrordar]

Jul 28, 2009 9:02:20 GMT twoheadedragon said:

Jul 28, 2009 8:55:35 GMT Terrordar said:

The most successful natives who live in my province live in a region called Kelowna. Its one of the only regions I have respect for (other than the traditional Inuit of the north). Though I've only personally met the Okanagan natives once, and that too was under bad terms interestingly, due to how they use their land claims in the region to bully people. How interesting. >.>

The Okanagan natives however, are the least likely to have substance abuse issues, and live in an area thats not a shithole.

Golly. One tribe of almost all of them makes use of the MILLIONS they are given yearly. How kind of them.

You find what you look for...

Millions HAS to be an exaggeration, unless you mean Indonesian Rupiah (10,000 makes 1 USD). Yeah, that makes sense.

No, millions are not an exaggeration. In the last provincial election it got even worse, now they are considering just broadly giving a % of our taxes to them as well. Its disgusting.

[Glance A'Lot]

Cultural indoctrination apart, there usually is some basis in racist thinking structures - and they can be manifold.

However, not disputing the cited statistics, the question still remains, why is that so?

As to 'successful' - by and to whose standards? Mostly, it's imposed, not values the incumbent race had, has or would want to set.
kitty has a point there...

[Terrordar]

So successful according to natives is being addicted to alcohol, gas fumes, meth, or a combination of the three, pick up cheques off the government, and then complain that the white man is the devil.

Thats successful Glance? really Glance? If so. Thats news to me.

[Glance A'Lot]

As anything, that could be argued - but it was not what I meant, because that is, what is fact.

But what you call successful, is successful by your, respectively 'the white man's', standard - and that may not be identical to what the Natives out of their culture and traditions may want to call successfull.

[Terrordar]

Once again though, substance abuse is successful? Being in Jail is successful?

[kilgoretrout]

The white mans culture of business and oppurtunistic rape of land is not for everyone. I think candians are slow witted , you see , is that true ? are all canadians slow witted dull and fat? Probably not but I am a culturalist and all.....I hope you see the point.