rhiian
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Post by rhiian on Sept 8, 2009 18:32:22 GMT
oh dayummmmm guys i'm seventeen soon. and darn do i feel old. so when did you guys start feeling old, and if you don't when will you, if ever ;D Oh and also I find myself very cynical these days too :']old age is turning me sourrrrrr  |
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Post by Elliot Kane on Sept 8, 2009 19:00:42 GMT
I think I beat you to it by about a year, Rhiian, honestly... Once my brain started to wake up and I started really seeing the world, rather than just living in it, I started feeling old. There's something about the vastness of human history - and the massive mess ups we've made throughout as a species - that make me feel like Methuselah.
The odd thing is that I don't actually feel older now than I did then, and in some ways I think I even feel younger! So don't worry - you have greater youthfulness to look forward to, yet! ;D
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Post by ss on Sept 8, 2009 20:38:58 GMT
I think I started feeling old about the age of 55, when I could not keep up, reaction wise, with the younger crowd while playing basketball..
My mind would say "get in front of that guy and stop his drive" and my body would say "not today..!"
Other than that, I don't really feel "old" as I think it is a mental thing rather than physical...I KNOW I am chronologically 67, but in my mind I am probably in my 30's... ;D
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Post by kitty on Sept 10, 2009 0:54:47 GMT
At 8.
Sad isn't it?
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Post by janggut on Sept 10, 2009 8:29:46 GMT
u're earlier than me by 3 years, kitty. i was 11 when i felt so old, like i knew what's coming at me in life & suddenly, life felt so predictable & terrifyingly limited. only started feeling young when i hit my 30's. weird.
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Post by Glance A'Lot on Sept 10, 2009 15:22:25 GMT
Well, what can I say? When I was rhiian's age, anything beyond 30 was old bordering on ancient... When I turned 30, anything beyond 40 was in decline... When I turned 40, I feared the decay in the 50ties... Now I can say (and Sam will agree) "THERE IS LIFE AFTER 50!" ;D There are 4 ages in Man - Baby, Teen, Twen and old fool... (Actually wisdom is the only positive attribute connected to age - just to give rhiian some perspective  ) |
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rhiian
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Post by rhiian on Sept 10, 2009 18:20:01 GMT
ahh look at you all sharing your wisdom :']
one thing i find particularlly interesting is how time flies. and the only reason each year goes quicker is because when you're say, five, a year is a fifth of your lifetime, but then at say twenty, a year is a twentith of your life, and thus alot smaller.
and also how fast everything is. Take a human; zoom in and you can get right down to cells, to nuclei, to atoms. Zoom out and you get a country, the planet, the galaxy, the galaxy culsters, the super culsters, the cluster of super clusters, and eventually the universe ;D
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Post by Elliot Kane on Sept 10, 2009 18:29:05 GMT
Yes. Time, for us, is all about perception. And so is the universe...
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Post by twoheadedragon on Sept 10, 2009 18:52:08 GMT
Funny, when I saw the title of this thread, I thought it'd have been started by EK or something. ;D  Don't worry rhiian, you're really young! Only 16 going on 17? You've got a LONG way to go! Don't worry about it girl, be happy! You're at a stage in your life when your physical body is still developing! Our physical body doesn't start going downhill until we're about 30, so yeah, LONG way to go! And even then, you're only as young or old as you feel: if in your mind you're old, chances are you ARE old! Get what I'm saying? It all depends on your perspective, your outlook on life. But this I can tell you: if your heart is truly at peace, you'll never feel "old." In fact, the positive would end up like my dad is about it: whenever he sees himself in the mirror he thinks "who's that old man wearing my clothes?" Because he's still young in heart, and in spirit. I hope you pick up with positiveness, and always be young!   |
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Post by kitty on Sept 11, 2009 2:16:46 GMT
Now I can say (and Sam will agree) "THERE IS LIFE AFTER 50!" ;D There are 4 ages in Man - Baby, Teen, Twen and old fool... Shakespeare said seven stages  (in As You Like It, Act II, Scene 7, Jaques monologue, which I was forced to learn by heart...and am unable to erase from my mind  ) You list the infant, the school-boy, the lover (teen), soldier (twen), the justice (30+ aka "daddy"), the slipper-wearer (50+ "grandpa"), the practically dead ('sans teeth, sans eyes, sans taste, sane everything!') Dunno but 7 stages make me feel better than just 4 ;D @ Rhian - the whole feeling gest worse when you reach 20, but it gets better when you go closer to 25 somehow, people start to get childish again at that age. I found that, when people are pre-20, they tried to be 'adult', it is expected of them and they think they have to be. But when the early twens start to fade (*sigh* just happened to me), people realize that there is no reason to impress mummy & daddy anymore and either - become parents and stay serious - or become silly again and start to enjoy their lives (yes yes I'm so negative). My advise is to not let you suck in into the whole "because I'm adult soon, I have to be super serious" mood, your parents/teachers,grandparents,any adults.. mean well but they just have forgotten how annoying it is to suddenly change from silly teen to serious adult, so just ignore them, do you thing and be happy - and then you automatically get over the "i'm old, omg!" stage. Was that helpful? I don't know, but agewise, 17 isn't so long ago for me that I can't remember how it is ;D |
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Post by Elliot Kane on Sept 11, 2009 2:46:23 GMT
"I tried to be all old and serious - like you do when you're young." - The Doctor. Wise words |
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Post by Flix on Sept 11, 2009 4:01:48 GMT
I'm 25 and that feels just right; I don't feel old. I DO, however, feel that time is somehow speeding up. It seems like I was just 18. I feel cheated, like years are shorter than they used to be.
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Post by kitty on Sept 11, 2009 5:16:49 GMT
^ That might be because we start to care if it's september 9 or february 12. When we are 6 we care only "is it lunchtime yet?" or "when is christmas?", when we are teens we care "when's summer holidays" or "when's examweek?" - but when we are adults, in our twens, we start to care what specific date it is. So we actually see how the month go into the next month and that makes it feel "flying".
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Post by Elliot Kane on Sept 11, 2009 13:40:31 GMT
Nah, Rhiian has the right of it:
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Post by ss on Sept 11, 2009 17:34:49 GMT
Now I can say (and Sam will agree) "THERE IS LIFE AFTER 50!" ;D There are 4 ages in Man - Baby, Teen, Twen and old fool... Shakespeare said seven stages (in As You Like It, Act II, Scene 7, Jaques monologue, which I was forced to learn by heart...and am unable to erase from my mind ) You list the infant, the school-boy, the lover (teen), soldier (twen), the justice (30+ aka "daddy"), the slipper-wearer (50+ "grandpa"), the practically dead ('sans teeth, sans eyes, sans taste, sane everything!') Dunno but 7 stages make me feel better than just 4 ;D @ Rhian - the whole feeling gest worse when you reach 20, but it gets better when you go closer to 25 somehow, people start to get childish again at that age. I found that, when people are pre-20, they tried to be 'adult', it is expected of them and they think they have to be. But when the early twens start to fade (*sigh* just happened to me), people realize that there is no reason to impress mummy & daddy anymore and either - become parents and stay serious - or become silly again and start to enjoy their lives (yes yes I'm so negative). My advise is to not let you suck in into the whole "because I'm adult soon, I have to be super serious" mood, your parents/teachers,grandparents,any adults.. mean well but they just have forgotten how annoying it is to suddenly change from silly teen to serious adult, so just ignore them, do you thing and be happy - and then you automatically get over the "i'm old, omg!" stage. Was that helpful? I don't know, but agewise, 17 isn't so long ago for me that I can't remember how it is ;D And to stick something else in.....somewhat more serious.. ;D Then what is it all for....what is the meaning of life..?? Seems to me without at least the possibility of "eternity" in view someway or somehow...then why do we put ourselves through pain and misery when we KNOW....( ) that it is all for ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.!!!!!!...where does the instinct for survival come from..?? Your born...you (maybe) grow up...you die...and fertilize the cemeterys....if this is the life cycle that you envision..  then you can seriously have it....but I, for one, don't see even one bit of logic for it..and to me doesn't even make common sense...even it you are anti-religion... let alone deal with the gnawing way down deep in the inner being that there has to be some reason for being here other than that.. Denial, denial, denial....but it will NEVER go away, and you WILL deal with the feelings till you DO die, then we will most assuredly know... ;D |
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Post by Glance A'Lot on Sept 11, 2009 19:21:28 GMT
Then what is it all for....what is the meaning of life..??well - one could always argue that it is not one's individual existence that counts ... - toward whatever end. ...and maybe it's not the goal, but the journey? ...maybe persistence and/or continuous change has more meaning to life? Enjoying to see your descendants grow may be rewarding enough to some? I may have an immortal soul, or I may be immortal through the memories of my contemporaries and their offspring. What is impossible in having only a certain timespan? Why fear such and hope for something 'after that'? Isn't that a very individual, even selfish, perspective? We may only be a wheel in a transmission - but we still have the choice of turning with the others, and be driven, or to actively drive the other wheels. What I'm trying to say is that one can indeed find a meaning elsewhere and not despair.
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Post by Elliot Kane on Sept 11, 2009 19:44:38 GMT
Perhaps life has no meaning beyond what we give it? It's not the right question, anyway. What PURPOSE does life have works vastly better, though the answer once more may just be: whatever purpose we give it ourselves. For some, purpose is found in helping others. For some, it is raising families. The pursuit of power or pleasure; the search for understanding... All add purpose and meaning both to our lives. Do you know what your purpose is? What gives your life meaning? And would your friends and family agree with you, or would they see something quite different... A few thoughts to ponder, for the more serious minded... |
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Post by ss on Sept 11, 2009 22:49:34 GMT
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Post by kitty on Sept 12, 2009 8:11:44 GMT
SS, no offense but was it really neccessary to make just ANOTHER thread about religion? There is something else in life, you know!
What answers your question. I don't care one bit what's AFTER the hard 20-something years, or after being 50 or after being 80. Glance got it spot on - it's about what YOU do, personally, what you try to achieve, how you handle what's coming and what's going.
Life, for me anyway, is about being the best I can, having the most fun, seeing as much as I can see and standing up for as much as I'm able to, and when I'm 88 (or however old I get) and I see it's gonna end soon, I want to lie on that hospital bed, tell myself "yes you did record that CD, yes you did meet that fellow from Palestina and had a serious discussion that show he doesn't like the Israel problem either, yes you did learn that languages, went to that impresses world wonder, talked to that author and had good friends and great relationships" - and then I die and I will not go to heaven, walhalla or whereever else people want to go to, I will be dead, my body will most likely get burned and that's that.
Do I feel any fear about that? No why should I! I did what I wanted and whatever starts, must end.
I have the feeling all christians (you included) think any trouble in life must be justified and seriously overdramatice everything. "Pain and misery" ? Huh? Rhian was talking about that she feels old, not that her little brother died in a caraccident and her grandma contracted AIDS. That's pain and misery. Having a little trouble in life isn't.
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Post by Hildor on Sept 15, 2009 21:53:34 GMT
SS, no offense but was it really neccessary to make just ANOTHER thread about religion? There is something else in life, you know! For you. For him and other religious people it's not something in life that you put your attention on and ignore when you pay attention to something else for a while. It's "interwoven" in life. Can't be denied and can't be used for a select number of things only. When you talk about things like these it's only normal that people bring up religion. It's just another view on things, it's nothing forbidden. He doesn't make a thread about religion, he uses religion to discuss the thread. At least, that's how I see it. And to stick something else in.....somewhat more serious.. ;D Then what is it all for....what is the meaning of life..?? Seems to me without at least the possibility of "eternity" in view someway or somehow...then why do we put ourselves through pain and misery when we KNOW....( ) that it is all for ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.!!!!!!...where does the instinct for survival come from..?? Your born...you (maybe) grow up...you die...and fertilize the cemeterys....if this is the life cycle that you envision.. then you can seriously have it....but I, for one, don't see even one bit of logic for it..and to me doesn't even make common sense...even it you are anti-religion... let alone deal with the gnawing way down deep in the inner being that there has to be some reason for being here other than that.. Denial, denial, denial....but it will NEVER go away, and you WILL deal with the feelings till you DO die, then we will most assuredly know... ;D Well I think the difference can be found in the way how we look at things. Like kitty said, she doesn't see everything as pain and misery. You as a religious person see a goal after this life and think about a "deeper reason". You could call it denial, but others simply don't do that. Instead of looking forward, they say that there is nothing to look forward to and make their own life their goal. Why do we put ourselves through pain and misery? Well because we can make things better. If I'm in trouble right now and I still have the strength to fight it, to make something better of it, maybe only for my last days, I will! |
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then you can seriously have it....but I, for one, don't see even one bit of logic for it..and to me doesn't even make common sense...even it you are anti-religion... 