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Post by Elliot Kane on Sept 29, 2009 21:31:04 GMT
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Post by Dark Phoenix Rising on Sept 30, 2009 8:21:49 GMT
good for her, and it's good to know she's not going to get done for murder or man slaughter, rather she's been nominated for a prize.
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Post by kitty on Sept 30, 2009 17:57:42 GMT
I don't want to be a jerk but I do not agree that she earns a prize.
It was brave and understandable that she wanted to help her father, but killing someone is not something to get rewarded for. Not even in selfdefense.
She could have shoot the attackers in the legs and get herself and her father out and inform the police.
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Post by janggut on Oct 1, 2009 3:09:38 GMT
yes, she could have, but in the heat of the moment, anyone could've overreacted & i think that's what happened.
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Post by Elliot Kane on Oct 1, 2009 3:45:36 GMT
Unless you've got a cool head and you're a fantastic shot, aiming at anything other than the centre of the body is the best way to get yourself killed, especially in what amounts to a scrum. This girl barely knew how to fire the gun and genuinely believed her Father's life to be at risk (And likely her own, too), so she did well. It was basically her against three guys, remember. And all she had was the element of surprise. That's not gonna last long.
No death is a good thing, but some are far more deserved than others.
In an ideal world, Kit, I'd agree with you. But this is far from an ideal world.
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Post by Hand-E-Food on Oct 1, 2009 3:55:59 GMT
There's always a case of survival of the fittest, and frankly, I'm going to do whatever it takes for me to stay alive.
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Post by kitty on Oct 1, 2009 19:01:21 GMT
You guys missed my point.
I did not say that it was wrong of her, I said she does not deserve a prize.
And I disagree Eli, nobody deserves death more than someone else. I'm against the death penalty or any kind of murder no matter what the person did. The case of the girl was an understandable reaction but still not something to be proud of.
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Post by Elliot Kane on Oct 1, 2009 19:27:59 GMT
Yeah, OK, I'll go with that, Kit. Pride in saving Daddy, yes. Pride in having to kill someone, no.
As for the death penalty, I'm highly equivocal. Sometimes I think it's a really bad thing and should never happen, but then I read about some new case where the things done were so far beyond mere evil that I find the argument in favour of killing the perpetrator unanswerable...
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Post by Terrordar on Oct 1, 2009 21:25:06 GMT
I don't want to be a jerk but I do not agree that she earns a prize. It was brave and understandable that she wanted to help her father, but killing someone is not something to get rewarded for. Not even in selfdefense. She could have shoot the attackers in the legs and get herself and her father out and inform the police. Yea. I already thought you lacked credibility normally due to nonsense remarks like this. She killed someone. Someone who was a dog of a human being, a sub human. She deserves to be recognized for saving her family and for eliminating a threat not only to her family, but to her neighbors and fellow nationals. To hell with "Killing is never right", there isn't enough killing in this world. Thats why we're stuck with [Censored]s and we're overpopulated. Good for her. Get her a prize. She deserves it.
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Post by Elliot Kane on Oct 1, 2009 21:50:41 GMT
Attack the post, not the poster, please, Terror...
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Post by ss on Oct 1, 2009 23:54:29 GMT
You guys missed my point. I did not say that it was wrong of her, I said she does not deserve a prize. And I disagree Eli, nobody deserves death more than someone else. I'm against the death penalty or any kind of murder no matter what the person did. The case of the girl was an understandable reaction but still not something to be proud of. Well Kt, we will be at odds again... ;D I don't care if she gets a prize or not...if there is a bounty on the guy's head, then she should get it...but I get your point...you simply do not think anyone should be executed...apparently by the state for crimes or otherwise.... I think some people actually DO deserve to die....without question..after all, there is such a thing as "LAW" and the punishment should fit the crime....murderers should be summarily executed... killing in self defense has NEVER been considered murder and the parties are normally set free as they should be. I am as adamant for capital punishment as you are against it... If someone murdered you or my family, I would be happy to witness his execution..
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Post by Ubereil on Oct 2, 2009 7:13:23 GMT
I think some people actually DO deserve to die....without question..after all, there is such a thing as "LAW" and the punishment should fit the crime....murderers should be summarily executed... Why? What do you get out of that besides another body? Übereil
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Post by Dark Phoenix Rising on Oct 2, 2009 8:30:50 GMT
I think that for the most part, killing for need is always acceptable. Equally deliberately putting yourself in a position where killing is needed for survival is a bad thing. (In a survival situation, my life is more important than a strangers life, and both are far more important than an enemies life)
As for the death penalty I agree with the principle, but I disagree with most implementations of it.
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Post by Flix on Oct 2, 2009 9:41:19 GMT
I support death penalties, but only because I tend to think of it as ridding society of a menace and humanity of bad genes. I don't like the punishment mentality, generally.
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Post by Dark Phoenix Rising on Oct 2, 2009 10:11:08 GMT
The punishment mentality is supposed to dissuade people from committing the crime in the first place. In the UK the main problem we have with it is that the current government has made so many things illegal recently that it's almost impossible not to break a law. If you can't avoid breaking a law, then why care about it?
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Post by Terrordar on Oct 2, 2009 11:31:12 GMT
I think some people actually DO deserve to die....without question..after all, there is such a thing as "LAW" and the punishment should fit the crime....murderers should be summarily executed... Why? What do you get out of that besides another body? Übereil Its simple. You get another body. A corpse that will feed off the system is no more. Do all murderers deserve to die? No. I can't say ALL of them do. DO MANY murderers deserve to die? Like a man killing a pregnant woman, or a woman stabbing her mother and father to death and then burying the remains out back for insurance? Absolutely.
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Post by twoheadedragon on Oct 2, 2009 14:08:14 GMT
Why? What do you get out of that besides another body? Übereil Its simple. You get another body. A corpse that will feed off the system is no more. Do all murderers deserve to die? No. I can't say ALL of them do. DO MANY murderers deserve to die? Like a man killing a pregnant woman, or a woman stabbing her mother and father to death and then burying the remains out back for insurance? Absolutely. I'm with TD on this one. Take some madman like Noordin M. Top: the bombs he made, and the bombing missions he masterminded, killed hundreds of innocent people. And he would have continued in his "career" if he hadn't been shot to death by the police. And I agree with what the police chief said: "Thank GOD, we got him!" I am also in favor of the Death Penalty, as long as it is applied correctly and appropriately it's so much better than leaving the psychopath/terrorist in some Jail Cell getting 3 square meals a day, while he could probably spring out almost anytime, and go right back into his old ways...
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Post by kitty on Oct 3, 2009 7:55:51 GMT
I don't want to be a jerk but I do not agree that she earns a prize. It was brave and understandable that she wanted to help her father, but killing someone is not something to get rewarded for. Not even in selfdefense. She could have shoot the attackers in the legs and get herself and her father out and inform the police. Yea. I already thought you lacked credibility normally due to nonsense remarks like this. She killed someone. Someone who was a dog of a human being, a sub human. She deserves to be recognized for saving her family and for eliminating a threat not only to her family, but to her neighbors and fellow nationals. To hell with "Killing is never right", there isn't enough killing in this world. Thats why we're stuck with [Censored]s and we're overpopulated. Good for her. Get her a prize. She deserves it. Firstly, go eff yourself. You are a potential neonazi and I still talked to you, a little respect please, thank you very much. Furthermore - there isn't enough killing in this world? Without giving very good reasons for that one, this is a nonesense remark.
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Post by Elliot Kane on Oct 3, 2009 8:09:55 GMT
That thing about attacking the poster not the post applies to you, too, Kit
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Post by kitty on Oct 3, 2009 8:17:48 GMT
@ the rest of normal posters I understand the inital idea why the death penalty is attractive, but with thinking further about it, I don't see the point at all. Firstly, by all the people on the death row, nobody can 100% say if all convicted murders are really guilty and there are cases where it is proven that the person put to death was, indeed, not guilty and that is govermental murder with noone to sue. Even the terribly small chance that someone might NOT be guilty, is enough for my concience to not support the death penalty. But even if the person is clearly guilty - do you really give him punishment by killing him? I think it is much more a punishment to take away someones chances in life by putting him behind bars, preferably in a high security prison in solidary confindment. This is how you break people. And since the death penalty is more or less only for the victims/victims families peace of mind, being sure that the person will die lonely, broken and bathing in his guilt should be cruel enough. A lot of criminals can shorten their prisontime by being put to death. A lot of longterm criminals try to kill themselves in prison, you might do them a favour when you kill them. And simply, I'm also against war, allowance to have a weapon for anything else but sport and any violence, so call me a hippie. Furthermore do I wanna give an example: Not too long ago, there was a man of 23 who was raped by his father his whole life long. AT one point, he fought back and killed his father. He did murder, and still some people called him a hero - was he? Was that right? Couldn't he have gone to the police? The man was convicted later. Because (@ ss ) that's the law. Again, his reaction was somehow understandable but it still wasn't right and calling him a hero is wrong. It is a bit different to our girl, mind, but you guys get my point, I hope.
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