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Post by LaFille on Apr 4, 2008 5:53:50 GMT
We can now embed YouTube videos in posts. (This video is Women in Art by eggman913.) To post a YouTube video: Use the YouTube button in the posting form and just enter the video ID between the [ yt ] [ /yt ] tags (without spaces). You can find the ID in the URL of a video; for example: www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUDIoN-_Hxs The code in your post should look like this: [ yt ] nUDIoN-_Hxs [ /yt ] (again, without spaces). Note that we don't see the videos in our post previews and that they don't appear in quotes either. ***Attention*** To keep things fair and friendly, however, there are two rules to respect about posting videos. The first is just the same as for any content posted on board, to keep things PG rated and use links with a warning instead for the content that's borderline or potentially offensive. The second is that the content that is copyrighted (notably TV shows or music videos, among else, unless permission was given by the creator or that they be released under a copyleft licence) should continue to be linked to rather than posted directly here in order for the board to avoid copyright issues. That's it, now enjoy!
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Post by Elliot Kane on Apr 4, 2008 5:56:23 GMT
Excellent work, Fille! Thank you *** I'll be amending the Rules thread in a moment to keep everything clear
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Post by cleglaw on Apr 4, 2008 11:23:14 GMT
tyvm
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Post by rockergrl on Apr 4, 2008 14:27:49 GMT
Oh yeah that rocks! So glad we can do this now!
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Post by peterh on Apr 4, 2008 23:54:10 GMT
Now this is cool. Thanks fille
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Post by LaFille on Apr 5, 2008 5:51:22 GMT
Glad that you like; the best is that you start loading/playing the videos manually, which I would like to be when opening YouTube pages...
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Post by Galadriel on Apr 5, 2008 21:17:58 GMT
Cool Fille, just saw the new feature! You did a great job
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Post by hector on Apr 6, 2008 2:37:04 GMT
Edit: Testing to see if videos from somewhere other than YT work. They don't.
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Post by LaFille on Apr 6, 2008 2:50:16 GMT
Yeah, unfortunately they don't... But there are good chances that somebody would have uploaded the stuff on YouTube too. Where else did you have in mind?
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Post by hector on Apr 6, 2008 5:29:10 GMT
Nothing in particular, and it's irrelevant however. The You Tube UBB tags only work for YT; and AFAIK Proboards doesn't accept HTML.
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Post by hector on Apr 10, 2008 10:44:00 GMT
I got this from the rules:
"All content that is copyrighted needs to be linked to rather than shown directly unless permission is given by the copyright holder"
And I just want to add that it makes absolutely no difference, as there is no legal distinction between "linked" or "shown" when it comes to YouTube videos.
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Post by Elliot Kane on Apr 10, 2008 10:49:34 GMT
In one instance you're directing people to a page not on this site, in the other you're showing the thing directly here. That surely has to create a distinction for 'broadcasting' which appears to be the main problem. If someone cannot view something on this site, it is not being 'broadcast'; if they can, it is. That would make sense. YouTube has various agreements with companies that allows them to 'broadcast', if I understand it correctly. We don't
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Post by Elliot Kane on Apr 10, 2008 11:02:29 GMT
I've added the 'broadcasting' bit in to the rules thread to help clarify the distinction
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Post by hector on Apr 10, 2008 11:12:20 GMT
Iin the other you're showing the thing directly here. Actually, no, you aren't. See, an embedded YouTube video, it doesn't matter if it's using regular HTML or the UBB tags, aren't on *this* site. It's an instruction that your browser translates as a link to another page, where the video in question is stored. This has been decided by the courts, am neither guessing nor opening it for debate. That, by itself, it's not enough to bring a lawsuit. You are not infringing copyright by allowing either links or embeds here. Unfortunately, that's not enough. While you may not be infringing copyright by linking or embedding, you may be doing what is known as "contributory copyright infringement", that is, you're facilitating copyright infringement. Again, there is no difference if there is a link or an embed, because what is being done is directing traffic to another server. That means you're screwed either way. Or perhaps not. See, there is a provision under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act which grants "safe harbor" to internet service providers against lawsuits, and the definition of "internet service providers" is broad enough to cover you, as the administrator of this board. Weird, but that's the law. All you have to do is, well, pretty much what you have. Stating that no copyright material is allowed, and in case of a notification, you need to take down the disputed material. A threat of banning would be nice, too. The truth of the matter is that you'll never gonna get any trouble no matter how many clips of copyrighted material are posted on this site. The one who gets the takedown notices is You Tube. But you seem to want to play it safe, so you'd better amend that rule to cover linking, too. In fact, don't even mention specifics regarding to You Tube videos, just say that no posting, linking or embedding of copyright material is allowed.
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Post by Elliot Kane on Apr 10, 2008 11:29:22 GMT
Bleeble. My head hurts...
I'm gonna leave everything as it is now, I think. As far as I understand it, that should work. And you seem to think it'll work, too. So that's fine.
Thanks, though, Hec. Headache or not! ;D
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Post by hector on Apr 10, 2008 11:31:54 GMT
Well, but if you receive a takedown notice, don't say I didn't warn you. And no, I didn't said that it would work if you leave it as it is now, I said it would work if you *change* the rule and disallow linking as well.
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Post by Elliot Kane on Apr 10, 2008 11:35:45 GMT
If we get takedown notices, we can take stuff down - that's never a problem. More than happy to do so, obviously.
YouTube are allowed to host the stuff they do. If they discover stuff they have no deals to cover, they take it down. As such, linking to stuff they are allowed to show is not assisting in any kind of infringement as they are not infringing. So that's OK.
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Post by hector on Apr 10, 2008 11:40:46 GMT
If we get takedown notices, we can take stuff down - that's never a problem. More than happy to do so, obviously. YouTube are allowed to host the stuff they do. If they discover stuff they have no deals to cover, they take it down. As such, linking to stuff they are allowed to show is not assisting in any kind of infringement as they are not infringing. So that's OK. I never talked about linking or embedding YouTube videos that are not under copyright or they are allowed to show by their copyright holders. But you don't seem to believe me that merely linking to copyright material is not enough to overcome copyright laws. You're still facilitating copyright infringement.
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Post by Elliot Kane on Apr 10, 2008 11:43:30 GMT
I believe you, Hec. But you can't facilitate something that is not happening.
If YouTube are not breaking copyright, we can't facilitate them doing it.
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Post by hector on Apr 10, 2008 11:51:11 GMT
There seems to be a miscommunication here.
If there is a video in You Tube some guy uploaded about him breaking his arm while skatebording, and the user allow linking and embedding, then there is no copyright infringement there. I have not once mentioned those kind of videos.
If someone uploads questionable copyrighted material, like a music video, and posts a link, a link, not embedded, you are facilitating copyright infringement. In fact, you are deliberately allowing by the disclaimer you posted in your rules. You were better off not posting it than posting it the way you phrased it.
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