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Post by hector on Apr 10, 2008 13:32:08 GMT
Yes, it's actually necessary to put the mention about the links not being allowed.
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Post by Elliot Kane on Apr 10, 2008 13:32:52 GMT
Right. OK. I'll add it back...
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Post by Elliot Kane on Apr 10, 2008 13:36:34 GMT
Right! How does that look, now?
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Post by hector on Apr 10, 2008 13:59:08 GMT
That's ok, if a bit redundant. Remember, linking and embedding are legally the exact same thing, so there is no need for separate sentences. "Do not link or embed copyrighted videos without the permission of the copyright holder"
But it's fine as it is as long as you include linking and embedding.
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Post by Elliot Kane on Apr 10, 2008 14:03:58 GMT
This looks like being the broadcasting thing. It's EU, and I have no idea if the US has a similar rule, but it would not surprise me... And as long as it's fine, all is well Just means we'll have to look to official artist sites for music if we intend linking to it. A minor pain, but such is life. Thanks again, Hec
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Post by Ubereil on Apr 10, 2008 14:37:06 GMT
About rule 8, what do you mean by illegal sites? For instance, ThePirateBay is fully legal according to Swedish law, but not according to US law. Is it still "ok" to link to ThePirateBay?
And I guess it doesn't count if the acual download you're linking to is legal (like say an official demo)?
Übereil
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Post by Elliot Kane on Apr 10, 2008 14:55:49 GMT
It's definitely not OK to link to Pirate Bay, Ube, no. ProBoards run by Californian law, hence so do we.
And it counts regardless of what you're linking to. Legal downloads can always be found on legal sites.
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Post by Ubereil on Apr 10, 2008 16:06:09 GMT
OK, just asked for clarification. It would make it more clear if you added that it's californian law it's not allowed to break, as (and I use it only as an example) ThePirateBay doesn't follow Californian law since it's not located in California. Or something like that...
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Post by Elliot Kane on Apr 10, 2008 16:07:32 GMT
Good idea, Ube. I'll do that now
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Post by hector on Apr 11, 2008 0:28:10 GMT
"Internet transmissions are excepted from the definition of a broadcast unless they are transmitted simultaneously with a broadcast by other means, simultaneously with a live event or form part of a service in which programmes are transmitted at specific times determined solely by the person providing the service." That alone should make it clear that it doesn't have anything to do with embedded videos. I told you many posts ago, it can be confusing enough when it comes to actual information, there is no need to hold to erroneous information. About rule 8, what do you mean by illegal sites? For instance, ThePirateBay is fully legal according to Swedish law, but not according to US law. Is it still "ok" to link to ThePirateBay? Legally there is nothing wrong with linking to The Pirate Bay, but Elliot may not want to risk it. This whole conversation has been strictly about illegal material. WHy would you think otherwise?
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Post by LaFille on Apr 11, 2008 2:50:18 GMT
I think he's talking about legal content distributed on a site that distributes illegal content (so much confusion in a single thread ;D ).
My answer about it would be that if it's legally distributed, it most likely is distributed elsewhere too so that the best way to go about it would be to search for a legal site that distributes it. If you have a hard time to find it with the usual search engines, search in the blogoshere and you'll likely find it there.
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Post by twoheadedragon on Apr 11, 2008 2:53:37 GMT
That's an interesting concept, viewing the Internet like the Earth's atmosphere! "googlesphere, wikishpere, blogosphere, pornosphere..."
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Post by LaFille on Apr 11, 2008 3:09:58 GMT
Yeah, well, that's what you get with someone assimilating geek vocabulary. ;D
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Post by twoheadedragon on Apr 11, 2008 3:12:45 GMT
Yeah, well, that's what you get with someone assimilating geek vocabulary. ;D The Internet wields a lot of influence over people's minds, even turns some into complete deadheads... fortunately for me, if one head dies the other lives on! ;D P.S If you go to the chat room, you'll see two heads were talking to each other...
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Post by Elliot Kane on Apr 11, 2008 5:20:06 GMT
Legally there is nothing wrong with linking to The Pirate Bay, but Elliot may not want to risk it. I think he's talking about legal content distributed on a site that distributes illegal content (so much confusion in a single thread ;D ). My answer about it would be that if it's legally distributed, it most likely is distributed elsewhere too so that the best way to go about it would be to search for a legal site that distributes it. If you have a hard time to find it with the usual search engines, search in the blogoshere and you'll likely find it there. You're both right *** Last reference to 'broadcast' removed, legal bit shifted for clarity... I think (Hope!) we're now good to go on the rules...
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Post by Ubereil on Apr 11, 2008 8:47:05 GMT
Yesterday night I figured out a little philosophical experiment. Is it wrong to link to a site that links to the pirate bay? (The idea is a site that contains nothing but a single link to the pirate bay.) And is it wrong to link to a page that has a single link to another page that has a single link to the pirate bay? Now, here comes the twist. If that is wrong, is it wrong to link to a page which has a maze of simple text links (say four links on four different pages), where if you click the right combinations of links will get you to the pirate bay? The first page will look something like this: Link 1Link 2Link 3Link 4Page 1 There will be four pages, and the only difference visually will be the "page 1" text which differs depending on which site you're on. Now, three of the links will lead back to page 1, but one of the links will lead to page 2. On page 2, three of the links will lead back to page 1, and one will lead to page 3 etc. Is it wrong to link to this site? Now, let's take a more realitybased page: The Larian forum. Let's assume that there in the joke section is a link to the section on the pirate bay called "Juridisk korrespondens" (legal correspondence) where the pirate bay replies to different companies demands to take down torrents with their material. The pirate bay usually ridlicutes these letters, and some might find them funny (I know I did once). Getting from these replies to the acual torrent search is super simple, since the search bar is placed in the top of the window. Now, does this make it wrong to link to the Larian forum? If you click on the right set of links you WILL get to the pirate bay! It is in strict theory the same thing as linking to the link maze, which in theory is the same as linking to the page that links to the pirate bay. And with this in mind, is it even wrong to link to a page that links to illegal contence? And btw, have you ever heard of this button called "edit"? ;D Übereil
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Post by hector on Apr 11, 2008 9:45:34 GMT
This doesn't concern "Right" or "Wrong", but what could get this site into any kind of legal trouble.
So, no. As I've already said before, there is nothing wrong if someone posts link to the pirate bay homepage or it's legal section, for that matter. That he chooses to forbid is a matter of personal preference.
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Post by Ubereil on Apr 11, 2008 10:17:02 GMT
This doesn't concern "Right" or "Wrong", but what could get this site into any kind of legal trouble. So, no. As I've already said before, there is nothing wrong if someone posts link to the pirate bay homepage or it's legal section, for that matter. That he chooses to forbid is a matter of personal preference. And those preferences is based on "right" and "wrong". Übereil
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Post by hector on Apr 11, 2008 10:18:19 GMT
This doesn't concern "Right" or "Wrong", but what could get this site into any kind of legal trouble. So, no. As I've already said before, there is nothing wrong if someone posts link to the pirate bay homepage or it's legal section, for that matter. That he chooses to forbid is a matter of personal preference. And those preferences is based on "right" and "wrong". Übereil Really? Are you a mind-reader? I couldn't speak for Elliot, myself.
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Post by Elliot Kane on Apr 11, 2008 12:21:43 GMT
Nope. It's based on the likelihood of me being held liable as forum owner if someone decides to be a bastard about stuff - simple as that! I'd be perfectly happy to link stuff to & from YouTube as it is by far the best and most convenient video sharer on the web and no-one gets burned by it. You can watch stuff, but you can't download it from YouTube, so no artist gets hurt and a lot may get new sales if people hear what they like. It's win-win. Hopefully the US lawmakers will realise that one day. Pirated games, films, etc is a matter of me being firmly on the side of the anti-piracy lobby, so I'd forbid those anyway. I like that people continue to make games, thanks. Same goes for pirated albums. There are a LOT of small groups out there whose success and failure often depends on a few sales either way. And small games companies for that matter. I certainly don't want to encourage anything that's gonna hurt them. You can call that 'right' and 'wrong' if you like. I call it 'fair'. As for your 'link chain' Ube, the easiest answer is to refer you to the third party disclaimer in the rules!
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