brett
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Post by brett on Sept 25, 2005 6:58:40 GMT
The shrink is most definitely Desaad you'd think. Not too sure about Shilo's manager.
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Post by hector on Sept 25, 2005 8:09:29 GMT
Hmm..is the manager a bit..thick with blonde highlights?
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Post by philster on Sept 25, 2005 10:26:53 GMT
Is Grant Morrison completely re-inventing all these characters? I mean, does this mean DC's Mister Miracle of the past doesn't exist anymore in DC continuity?
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Post by Duncan on Sept 25, 2005 12:28:08 GMT
No. This is not Scott Free. Likewise the the Guardian was not Jim Harper or that other guy.
However, he has mucked about with Klarion's continuity, if only to return to a closer version of the Kirby original.
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Post by Duncan on Sept 25, 2005 12:28:36 GMT
Hmm..is the manager a bit..thick with blonde highlights? Please explain, Hec. EDIT: Jesse, for a crash in New Gods stuff, I'd recommend either the original Kirby stuff, which is kinda quaint and the dialogue takes some getting used to but furiously inventive nonetheless, or the JLA 'Rock of Ages' trade which, well hell, you oughtta have read that anyway. It's brilliant.
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Post by The Spider on Sept 25, 2005 16:35:40 GMT
Is Grant Morrison completely re-inventing all these characters? I mean, does this mean DC's Mister Miracle of the past doesn't exist anymore in DC continuity? I kinda doubt it. The existence of Highfather, Metron, Orion, and Darkseid at least confirms that it's the standard DCU. Also in the ZATANNA series, Zatanna makes an offhand reference to her using her powers for the mindwipes in IDENTITY CRISIS. Also Shilo Norman was a supporting character in the original Jack Kirby MISTER MIRACLE series, and in later non-Kirby series, Shilo was being trained to be the next Mister Miracle, I believe. There's a question about when--and in some cases where--the story takes place though, and I remember people speculating that this takes place sometime after Infinite Crisis.
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Post by hector on Sept 25, 2005 23:23:09 GMT
Is Grant Morrison completely re-inventing all these characters? I mean, does this mean DC's Mister Miracle of the past doesn't exist anymore in DC continuity? Not at all. The new Mr. Miracle is Shilo Norman, who was Scott's apprenctice and who I'm sure you're familiar with from the Giffen/DeMatties era of the JL. Seven Soldiers take place in the DCU, with a 'pick and choose' approach to continuity. As Duncan mentioned, the only character who has been retconend out of existance is the previous incarnation of Klarion. The new Shining Knight and his Fall of Camelot moment contradicted standard DCU continuity, but that was nicely tied up in the third issue of SK so both versions can co-exist. Duncan: Remember Funky Flashman and Houseboy Roy? Perhaps is a similar reference. And I think I have my new favorite Seven Soldier. I'd love if Morrison had a monthly New Gods title.
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brett
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"We'll get you some cool new clothes, Tom"
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Post by brett on Sept 26, 2005 4:23:48 GMT
Hmm..is the manager a bit..thick with blonde highlights? Oberon is it? Synchronicity alert*** Just picked up from the $1 box Mr Miracle #21-23 where Shilo is trained and fights a noodle, some Byrne issues of New Gods and quite a few issues of Orion as well. Plus my Kirby New Gods trade should be coming in soon. ;D Jesse, definitely get Rock of Ages if you don't have. It is that brilliant.
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Post by The Spider on Sept 26, 2005 5:27:54 GMT
Synchronicity alert*** Just picked up from the $1 box Mr Miracle #21-23 where Shilo is trained and fights a noodle, some Byrne issues of New Gods and quite a few issues of Orion as well. Plus my Kirby New Gods trade should be coming in soon. ;D Heh. Speaking of synchronicity, I've been buying quite a lot of early 70's DC Comics that were done by Jack Kirby in the past two years before Seven Soldiers was announced. Since I was focusing on the NEW GODS, OMAC, and KAMANDI, The only issue of MISTER MIRACLE I had was one where Scott Free takes in Shilo Norman, and the only issue of THE DEMON I had was the one that introduced Klarion. On a sidenote, anyone notice that a lot of the DC Kirby stuff is being brought up this year? -OMAC: Revamped into a major component of the "Infinite Crisis" saga. -MISTER MIRACLE: Shilo as the new Mister Miracle for Seven Soldiers. -THE DEMON: Etrigan has new series by Byrne, Klarion is revamped and invovled in Seven Soldiers. -KAMANDI: The first 70's Kirby series to be collected in the DC Archives.
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Post by philster on Sept 26, 2005 8:35:57 GMT
Oh, that's a relief. Thanks guys.
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Post by Elliot Kane on Sept 26, 2005 17:45:29 GMT
Actually, I don't think the old Klarion HAS been retconned out of existence. There is nothing to say there are not two Klarions. Not that I'd miss the old one, who wasn't really much of a character...
Granted both have cats called Teekl, but they are otherwise entirely different characters.
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Post by Duncan on Sept 26, 2005 19:52:51 GMT
Yeah, well, just going on what Grant said in interviews that he'd dumped the Sins of Youth version. But you could be right, as he has since mentioned that his Shining Knight is NOT a replacement, something that'd be a bit of a flub anyway, given that Vigilante had pics up of the original in his house.
Hec, oh-ho. Right. Thanks for reminding me of Houseroy. Always a treat to recall mainstream comics most acerbic character assassination.
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Post by hector on Sept 26, 2005 20:40:19 GMT
Yeah, well, just going on what Grant said in interviews that he'd dumped the Sins of Youth version. Yep, it's the only rebooted character in SS. Yep, Ystin's Camelot was 10,000 years ago, Justin's was no more than 2,000.
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Post by Duncan on Sept 26, 2005 21:26:59 GMT
And one's a girl!
Actually, I was reading Jog again and he pointed out there's not one white, male lead in the books, which is pretty nice.
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Post by Elliot Kane on Oct 3, 2005 19:25:14 GMT
I don't care about the ethnicity or sex of the leads, as long as the stories are good. So far, only Shining Knight has really not been that strong, IMO.
I definitely liked the beginning of Mister Miracle. The interesting question is - ARE the New Gods now on Earth - or is Shilo just seeing parallels? It could easily go either way, I think, as he doesn't seem all that stable.
The Black Racer is on Earth, sure, but he always has been...
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Post by Elliot Kane on Oct 31, 2005 13:30:26 GMT
Klarion ends... And I must admit, I liked it a lot. Some very interesting revelations, including the purpose of the two dice... Nicely self contained, good origins for Klarion's people... A very solid story indeed
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jesse
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Post by jesse on Nov 2, 2005 5:38:16 GMT
www.popcultureshock.comThey've got a preview for the Bulleteer up. I must say, Yanick Paquette has REALLY stepped his game up.
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Post by Elliot Kane on Nov 2, 2005 6:23:41 GMT
Excellent stuff. Thanks, Jesse *** Here's a direct link to the preview Jesse found
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Post by hector on Nov 12, 2005 22:58:54 GMT
Uh...did I miss Zatanna #4 or is it late??
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Post by Gray Lensman on Nov 12, 2005 23:00:02 GMT
I haven't seen it, Hec, so I think it's late...
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