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Post by Elliot Kane on Nov 12, 2005 23:54:37 GMT
It's very late, yeah... Annoyingly, as I have loved this mini, so far. Misty is cool
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Post by The Spider on Nov 13, 2005 3:53:29 GMT
Uh...did I miss Zatanna #4 or is it late?? It's late. Supposedly it'll be out on the 23rd.
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Post by jesse on Nov 13, 2005 6:06:15 GMT
I think Frankenstein got pushed back as well. I'm loving this series right now, but I feel like the lateness of Zatanna is screwing up its momentum.
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Post by Elliot Kane on Nov 14, 2005 14:45:31 GMT
Bulleteer #1 was very good, I thought. An incredibly unusual superhero origin, and a highly original one. I like the idea of the reluctant heroine at the best of times, and I love how different each of the 7 are from all the others. Very good stuff
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Post by Duncan on Nov 14, 2005 22:10:46 GMT
Still, you'll probably be able to create your whole holographic universe on the 23/11 (24 here, *sigh*) when both Zee and Frank come out on the same day.
Zatanna is my fave.
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Post by jesse on Nov 24, 2005 6:12:48 GMT
Seven Soldiers discussion: STAT!
Random thoughts about Bulleteer, Zatanna #4, and Frankenstein.
- Who the hell is Zor?
- I loved the moment in Zatanna where she puts her palm on the panel.
- Are we supposed to know why the Bulleteer didn't die the way her husband did? If so, can someone explain?
- The Bulleteer and Zatanna: Very sexy, for two-dimensional images on paper.
- Frankenstein was a pretty solid start. I love how Grant made you think that it was going to be some sappy story about a kid who gets picked on, then BAM! Frank tosses his ass through a window.
-Mahnke is underrated.
- The Fourth Rail needs to stop [Censored]ing about how they are dissappointed with this event. I think it's surpassing my expectations.
-The first wave of books, ranked from favorite to least for me, went like this.
1. Zatanna 2. The Manhattan Guardian 3. Klarion 4. Shining Knight
-Wave 2, from just the first issues obviously, are like this.
1. Bulleteer 2. Frankenstein 3. Mister Miracle
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Post by Elliot Kane on Nov 28, 2005 16:29:55 GMT
Jesse... Bulleteer - I can think of two explanations for why she survives. First, she gets a lot less of the stuff on her, and secondly it bonds with collagen (Fatty tissue, IIRC) which the female body naturally has more of, making her more naturally survivable. Either would do as an explanation, I think. Agreed on Frankenstein. Superb start too, I thought. We're firmly in horror territory with this one, and I love the idea of Frankenstein as an avenger who rises from the dead when he's needed. Wouldn't want to be a Sheeda with him around Zee - yeah, great ending. Zor is the Time Tailor, who effectively destroys the original Newsboy Army. I loved the mage fight, and the way Grant used things that only work in the comics medium to pull it off. Very impressive. Overall, I'm a bit undecided between Guardian & Zatanna as my favourites, but I'll otherwise agree with your order entirely.
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Post by Duncan on Nov 28, 2005 20:58:27 GMT
Yeah, Bulleteer had her wedding ring on. Lance didn't. The exact science of that escapes me, but I'm not really a stickler for detail.
Zatanna #4 was my favourite comic since Zatanna #1.
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Post by jesse on Nov 28, 2005 23:38:51 GMT
Just a quick heads-up, Mr. Miracle is changing artists, AGAIN, with issue 3.
I hope this juggling of artists doesn't screw up the flow of the series.
Good call on this, by the way. Didn't even think of that.
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Post by Elliot Kane on Nov 28, 2005 23:42:09 GMT
Ouch! Sounds like a mess in the making... Thanks, Jesse
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Post by Duncan on Nov 29, 2005 15:16:25 GMT
Mmm. I'm really quite worried about it; the quality of the artists on this series has been really high, each with their own distinctive stylings - including Ferry, who seems to be being replaced by a succession of generic post-Image clones. Is not good.
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Post by Elliot Kane on Nov 29, 2005 15:35:12 GMT
The artists all seem to have been carefully chosen to complement the story. It's almost been a masterclass in how to choose the right artist for the right project, in fact. This chopping & changing isn't good. Pesky Ferry.
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Post by rfr4ever on Nov 29, 2005 23:05:37 GMT
I'm loving Seven Soldiers, I can't wait until I get my hands on Frankenstein 1
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Post by Elliot Kane on Nov 30, 2005 17:04:23 GMT
So far, the interweave of fairy tales and Arthurian legend is pretty awesome. Gives a very mythic backdrop to the whole thing. Misty is pretty obviously the main part of that, being a combination of many fairy tale princesses, right down to the wicked stepmother/evil queen who is trying to kill her. The spindle that puts her mind to sleep is very Sleeping Beauty, except that instead of seven dwarfs who shield her from harm and (Presumably) help her win back her rightful throne, we have the Seven Soldiers. The evil Sheeda are not only a creation of the Time Tailor (And how many tailors are there in fairy tales? Quite a lot, IIRC) but dwell at the end of time (A possible Moorcock influence in there) and clearly intended to be the evil Sidhe of legend (The pronunciation being similar). Good princess, evil witch stepmother, fairies... All we need is knights and heroes, and they're there, too The story stretches from one end of time to the other, and incorporates many celtic myths also, including the seven treasures of Britain ("I was one of seven treasures" Zee's djinni says. The Cauldron of Rebirth is another. Frankenstein's sword may well be a third...) Imprisoning 'Merlin' makes Zatanna Nimue, especially as she conjured him to be a boyfriend in the first place. Merlin is first charmed then imprisoned by Nimue in Arthurian legend, and Zee repeats here, but in fairy tales she would be The Good Witch, or possibly the Fairy Godmother. After all, if the princess is a Faerie, it makes sense that she have a human Godmother, right? Justin/e's role is obvious as 'The Noble Warrior' who will fight for the right. This theme is constant in fairy tales and Arthurian legend alike, and makes her the least intricate of the characters. Klarion is a very interesting mix, in that he escapes from his own version of The Ivory Tower, making him sort of the princess, but he is also a deliverer of his people and - by bringing the other die into play at the right time - could well end up playing the part of The Handsome Prince to Misty's princess. The job of the Prince is ultimately to empower the Princess after all, by helping her overcome her evil stepmother. Klarion himself being part Sheeda and close to Misty's age makes this more likely, though any romance between them seems extremely improbable. These are very different twists on old themes, and unlikely to follow formula, however thematically driven. The Bulleteer is easy - she is the reluctant hero. Never wanted the job, but now she has it will slowly find out it suits her. It's too early to tell her place in fairytale/legend yet, though. Frankenstein seems to be the dark avenger - the driven hero who seemingly exists only to hunt and destroy evil, while being feared and hated himself. Mister Miracle seeks to find his true place in the world, but has yet to discover himself as a hero. This fits into many legends & fairytales, and probably means he will end up being a key player somewhere down the line - though I suspect they will all be key in some regard. Guardian - another Noble Warrior, but this one is conflicted between his life and his calling. He's the more human knight, to Justin/e's peerless paragon, the Gawaine to her Percival, if you will. Seven soldiers, seven treasures... I'm wondering if that has significance, and if so where the other treasures are? Random thoughts... I'm loving this series. Can you tell?
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Post by Duncan on Dec 1, 2005 15:28:10 GMT
Yeah, there's been some talk of the seven treasures so far - I think they're going to be drawn from the thirteen/twelve(?) treasures of britain and the four of Ireland.
Others - well, Nob'dy from the Deviant gang had a crown and was invisible, so that could be Arthur's mantle, and I think the most important one will be the Spear of Lugh (not yet, I think, seen) 'cos remember the Gloriana will be defeated by 'a spear that never was thrown'.
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Post by Elliot Kane on Dec 1, 2005 15:33:35 GMT
The Spear of Lugh flies by itself, so needs no throwing... Yeah, that would fit. Be interesting to see that thing show up
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Post by The Spider on Dec 10, 2005 22:41:04 GMT
MISTER MIRACLE #2
I'm liking it, but I'm not really seeing the connection between this and the other titles yet (aside from the mention in MANHATTAN GUARDIAN). BULLETEER doesn't seem to have any connection in the first issue, but according to the solicits, She's going to meet up with Li'l Hollywood from the original Newsboy Army.
And Re: Changing artists-- So is Mister Miracle also trying to escape the artists who are drawing him?
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Post by brett on Dec 11, 2005 3:19:37 GMT
Heh. Desaad did seem to be critiquing Billy Dallas Patton when he made that female patient cry. "Your art is amateurish at best."
Both #1 and #2 are better reads if you read them back to back. The solicits at the back of the issue mention something huge next issue, which should be very interesting.
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Post by Duncan on Dec 11, 2005 23:46:18 GMT
..so they say.
I like the idea of the New Godz in a crack alley, messed up by their ultracorporate enemies, but it's all a bit... what does it have to do with 7S? Not firing for me this one, yet.
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Post by jesse on Dec 12, 2005 3:52:34 GMT
God, that new artist sucks. The other new artist however, was perfectly non-offensive.
This Mister Miracle mini has been, in my estimation, by a mile the worst of the Seven Soldiers minis.
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