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Post by jesse on Feb 2, 2006 23:25:08 GMT
I continue to be amazed at the quality of the Bulleteer series. It stands far and away, the most entertaining of the Second wave of Seven Soliders books. The reappearing guy from Zatanna #1 was really funny, and Bulleteer is really a hero you can get behind, a lot like the Gaurdian.
I wonder if that Spyder/Vigilante conflict will ever be resolved on panel, though?
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Post by Duncan on Feb 3, 2006 14:51:44 GMT
Ya reckon?
I dunno - I think we can get consensus that Mr. Miracle (the series I'd wholly expected pre-project to like best; of course, I'd expected to like Zatanna least and am clearly some kind of bizarro futurologist) is easily the weakest of the seven, but Frank...
I didn't dig Frank #1 so much, though it's important to note it's the first superhero comic post-Eightball #23 that bore any resemblance to said, and the influence of Clowes is self-evident. Maybe because it was so horrible, that's why I didn't 'like' it. But Frank #2 was an absolute jawdropper, whereas Bulleteer #2 was Vigilante/SS#0 backstory, which is well and good, but not very focal on the tit-ular (oh, I joke; you see!) character. B#3 was great, of course; mmm, the convention, but I'd not count them chickens.
I'd imagine Spyder/Vig will meet some resolution in SS#1 if anywhere. Prolly off-panel, but then, there are another 4 of the series singles to come and I could always be wrong - again.
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Post by Elliot Kane on Feb 3, 2006 15:45:14 GMT
Frankenstein very much seems to be trying for a Lovecraft/Ashton-Smith type feel, with the whole unrelenting horror thing - right down to the language used in #2. Overall, I'm not sure yet which will be best out of Bulleteer and Frankenstein - I like them both a lot.
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Post by brett on Feb 4, 2006 8:32:26 GMT
I'd say Frank at the moment. #3 was the best issue of Bulleteer yet, and streets ahead of #1 and #2 for my mind.
I do think Mr Miracle is going to have a killer last issue. It's called Forever Flavoured Man people, possibly the best title used yet (and in this series, that's saying something, cause there's been some gems) and presumably focuses on the light side rather than the dark side that's taken the spotlight for the three issues so far.
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Post by hector on Feb 6, 2006 0:35:01 GMT
Ya reckon? I dunno - I think we can get consensus that Mr. Miracle is easily the weakest of the seven Would that mean that I'm the only one who is absolutely loving Mr. Miracle? Of all the Soldiers, that's the one title I would like Morrison to stick with. I just love the way he tackles on the New Gods. I would be in the minority here still, though. Zatanna was the one I liked the least, mainly because Misty was the most annoying character in the series. But I have new appreciation of the last issue, having read Zor's previous playing-billiard-with-the-universe battles with Spectre, whom the issue beautifully homaged.
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Post by Elliot Kane on Feb 6, 2006 8:26:09 GMT
You hated Misty?!? Aw, Hec... Still, different strokes for different folks, as they say
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Post by Elliot Kane on Feb 6, 2006 16:13:34 GMT
Bulleteer #3 was great. Loved the convention, Alix's bewilderment, and the Zenith reference The whole idea of the super-powered sub-culture, as it were, makes a lot of sense. Loved it
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Post by hector on Feb 6, 2006 23:49:43 GMT
Yeah, though the first issue was relatively Misty-free and I still didn't liked it as much as the other Soldiers. I suppose I just prefer my magic 'preachy'.
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Post by Elliot Kane on Feb 7, 2006 0:24:25 GMT
I always prefer my Magik swinging her Soulsword, but I guess you knew that ;D
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Post by hector on Feb 7, 2006 1:01:03 GMT
Heh.
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Post by Duncan on Feb 7, 2006 22:22:05 GMT
Misty is the bomb. She's so...unflappable. She makes morbidity look fun.
*sigh*
I dunno, Hec, I think Mister Miracle is pretty much an inversion of everything I expected from a GM New Gods story. It's utterly un-pyrotechnic, and - well - dreary and brown. I ain't hatin' it by any stretch, but I wish it was a bit less downhome, or whatever.
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Post by Elliot Kane on Feb 7, 2006 23:11:32 GMT
I don't think there's anything to hate about Mr Miracle - there just isn't anything there to like either, IMO. As a series, it's just there...
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Post by brett on Feb 8, 2006 3:39:04 GMT
I dunno, Hec, I think Mister Miracle is pretty much an inversion of everything I expected from a GM New Gods story. It's utterly un-pyrotechnic, and - well - dreary and brown. I ain't hatin' it by any stretch, but I wish it was a bit less downhome, or whatever. Having given the 3 issues a quick re-read, it does seem intentional. Which is an unusual choice for a New Gods story, but not so much for a Darkseid et al one. #1 starts out pretty pumping. You've got the black hole escape, divine encounter with Metron, retrospective visit to New Genesis/Heaven, all top knotch stuff, then bang, back to Earth. Now I am aware that I'm obviously reading too much into it, but from that moment Shilo returns, there feels like a hollowness to the story, especially the stuff with ZZ, which does seem to mirror the hollow feeling that Shilo has inside of living in a world where the Dark Side has won. Shilo's had a taste of the divine, and everything else seems lacking as a result. So while the 'offness' of the story so far may or may not have been intentional, it seems to still give a good reading to it that fits in nicely with all the Dark Side immersion that came to a peak in #3. #4 I'm willing to bet, will be of MG #4 and SS #0 level quality. It's all set up perfectly for a one-issue New Gods retooling, which after all the Dark Side antics of the first 3 issues, should be refreshing. Incidentally, lent this to a mate, and he loved it. Don't have time to get into it fully atm, but I think there's a few things that 'proper' comic fans don't get from it that other readers do. For new readers it's like " Holy [Censored] the New Gods/Heaven lost the war and are now bums!!!, whereas for pro readers it's like "The New Gods lost and are now bums. Next." Some of the impact is lost. Although, he thought #2 had better art than #1, which is even more insane than you think, because he's an artist as well! Ferry is not < Patton. Unless he meant Williams II's stuff, which in that case, is fine.
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Post by Duncan on Feb 8, 2006 15:29:17 GMT
Well, not 'fine'. Incorrect, still, but less so.
Back to MM; it's just that it's depressing, intensely so at the end of #3 - while is cool that love 'n' honour can beat the anti-life equation, I still need some blaring affirmation (AND tying into the 7S narrative; still thinking this ain't Shilo's 'real' life) from #4. I don't think you're overstretching about the 'emptiness', Brett; the colouring choices have been distinctly end of Autumn (hence, 'brown' - which is really the best descriptor for the series I cna provide so far,) for example.
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Post by Elliot Kane on Mar 20, 2006 13:30:13 GMT
Bulleteer #4 ruled. I really felt sorry for poor Sally, which is a heck of an accomplishment as we only saw her life in flashbacks.
Frankenstein #3 was very good as well. I love the new version of the Bride Of Frankenstein.
Just read MM#4... Erm... What? Definitely my least favourite of all the 7S series so far. I don't get the point of it at all. Shilo is now a New God after 4 issues - but that's it. There's no actual point or resolution to any of it. Or am I missing something?
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Post by Duncan on Mar 20, 2006 17:25:56 GMT
MM #4's basically a reprise of a lot of Morrison's personal mysticism; the structure mimicks the 'Best Man Fall' issue from The Invisibles (something a lot of readers cite as the best one, though probably not me). Shilo experiences (hyper)time subjectively. It's unfortunate the art was so weak, but I did like it otherwise; very personal and emotional - the resolution is Shilo overcoming the 'black hole' of guilt and loss from his brother's death, I guess. Still very little idea as to how he's supposed to realise he's fighting the Sheeda, other than Oracle's mention of them? Or if they've trapped all the New Gods inside this event horizon?
I absolutely loved the last Bulleteer, though. Just flowed perfectly, almost inexorably. Great title, too: 'Bad Girls'. Absolutely.
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Post by Duncan on Mar 20, 2006 17:26:31 GMT
Also, is Oracle Croatoan? Hmm.
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Post by Elliot Kane on Mar 20, 2006 17:36:42 GMT
Bulleteer definitely got added to my list of "Will definitely buy if Grant writes an ongoing" that's for sure. I love how the villainess is more a victim than anything else. It's a great spin. I really felt sorry for her, which takes some doing given that up until now we were invited to think of her as a truly 'bad' girl.
As for Oracle being Croatoan... Would not surprise me. There were always hints in Klarion that Klarion himself was not the first of his people to seek 'blue rafters'. Logically there must be other Croatoans out there somewhere...
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Post by jesse on Mar 21, 2006 0:31:15 GMT
I completely agree, Bulleteer #4 was my favorite single issue of the Seven Soldiers series since the Gaurdian #4 issue.
Kind of sad that the series is wrapping up, I loved it so damn much. At least we get the return of the JHW art, which should be great, as always.
I liked Frankenstein #3 also. The bride was a really cool design. I think after Frank #4 comes out we should get some predictions on who bites the big one. Predictions that we stick with, unlike me, who has changed his mind about a million times.
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Post by hector on Mar 21, 2006 1:28:50 GMT
The bride was a really cool design. I think after Frank #4 comes out we should get some predictions on who bites the big one. I have long predicted that not one of the starring characters of the seven miniseries will die. As a metareference to the first encounter with the Sheeda. And, if 7S indeed preceed InfC, it will turn out to be true. As Johns already said that all seven will appear in the last issue of InfC.
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