dominiccarr
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You're a bloody puppet!...You're a wee, little puppet man!
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Post by dominiccarr on Jul 29, 2005 0:05:13 GMT
No prior attachment to any of these characters so i might give this a go.
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Post by Gray Lensman on Jul 29, 2005 17:13:21 GMT
There's also some commentary from Stuart Immonen on Nextwave, for those interested. Have to admit, one thing he said really annoyed me. Specifically, this statement: "I wasn't familiar with any of the characters, frankly, so I didn't feel obliged to preserve their original looks. I mean, I suppose the Boom Boom usenet fan club might be upset, but who cares...?"Because part of the job of handling a mainstream series is research. Attention to detail. Part of capturing the character properly is at least making sure the character at least looks recognizable. Otherwise, why bother with obscure characters to start with? This is just shoddy work ethic. It's not like Immonen couldn't find out what these characters look like just by doing a Google search. It wouldn't cost him more than maybe a few minutes of his time. It's this whole attitude that annoys me about Marvel now. If the artist of the series doesn't even care about preserving who the characters are supposed to be, why should anyone have any confidence in this creative team to handle these characters? Because, right now, I sure don't. |
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jesse
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Post by jesse on Jul 29, 2005 18:07:58 GMT
I don't know...
Grant Morrisson took a bunch of old- obscure characters for his Seven Soldiers mini, and many of those characters are virtually completely different from their original incarnations. (Guardian, anyone?)
That worked out okay.
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Post by Elliot Kane on Jul 29, 2005 18:11:09 GMT
Jesse...
They ARE completely different (As in new & original) characters in S7, so far, except for Zatanna, who really reads like the Zatanna I know. It worked out far better than OK, and I would get Morrison penned ongoings of any or all of them.
But that isn't what Ellis has done.
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As for Immonen, I think the best line would be "Ya know, I'd admire his professional work ethic if he had one."
If Meltdown is his idea of a really obscure Marvel character - does he even read comics?
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Post by Gray Lensman on Jul 29, 2005 18:14:24 GMT
Guardian is a new guy in an established identity. I have no problem with that.
It's possible to take an old character, revamp them, and make them work. But part of that is explaining why they're different, so it looks like a natural character growth. Catman in Villains United is a great example of how to do it right.
Nextwave... well, isn't.
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Post by hector on Jul 30, 2005 1:53:14 GMT
Well, Morrison's Zatanna characterization is not really how she has ever been portrayed in the past or the present, but I'm enjoying it so I don't care that much. I've heard that Morrison will portray Orion as drunken boxer, so I don't think SS can be acclaimed for its adeherance to past continuity... Because part of the job of handling a mainstream series is research. Attention to detail. Part of capturing the character properly is at least making sure the character at least looks recognizable. Otherwise, why bother with obscure characters to start with? I think it depends on the job. With NW approach Immonen certainly didn't felt the need to do any research on the subject, but I guess his disdain was annoying. |
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Post by Elliot Kane on Jul 30, 2005 1:56:14 GMT
Hec...
Vertigo Zatanna is always the way Morrison portrays her, every time I see her. Are you talking the DCU version? I'd say either was valid as far as 7S is concerned.
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Post by hector on Jul 30, 2005 1:59:48 GMT
Yes, dozens of JLA issues, present and past. The Zatanna I read there would have never conjured a boyfriend. Not that I care that much, but as I said SS it's not the best example to held in high esteem in this particular subject.
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Post by Elliot Kane on Jul 30, 2005 2:04:36 GMT
Vertigo Zatanna is clearly very different to her DCU alter ego. I certainly found nothing unusual in anything she does in 7S. I was actually pleased that I recognised her as the character I knew. So I'll agree to disagree with you on that one, Hec  |
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jesse
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Post by jesse on Jul 30, 2005 2:42:18 GMT
I can see your guys' points, but I honestly can't get that worked up over these characters.
Maybe you guys can just hope this series fails and all this gets ret-conned.
Don't lose hope!
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Post by Elliot Kane on Jul 30, 2005 3:07:16 GMT
I have two parts of me at war, Jesse, I must admit... I want it to fail for my own reasons, but I want those of you who buy it to enjoy it... Guess I'm just schizoid ;D
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Post by The Spider on Jan 7, 2006 5:42:15 GMT
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Post by Gray Lensman on Jan 7, 2006 5:51:46 GMT
Looked through the preview. So far, I don't regret my decision to leave this on the shelf.
I can also say that I officially prefer Elliot's version of Elsa Bloodstone. I like my monster hunters to not sound like Emma Frost, thank you kindly...
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Post by Terrordar on Jan 7, 2006 6:01:26 GMT
But Steve, every character has to act like the current incarnation of Emma "Frost" Grey, or she's not "cool".
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Post by Gray Lensman on Jan 7, 2006 6:04:25 GMT
Right now, it's more like their personalities have been switched around. Marvel right now is playing a game of Musical Personalities.
Nextwave Elsa sounds more like what Emma should sound like. Meanwhile, Emma tends to act more like Jean. Next thing you know, Jean will come back and sound like a hyperactive monster hunter. ;D
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Post by Terrordar on Jan 7, 2006 6:13:55 GMT
Jean: "We have to stop that werewolf from hurting anyone,"
Galactus: "All tremble, for I have come for this world,"
Iceman: "Jean, baby, darling, honey... Galactus just came to eat the planet,"
Jean: "Oh I'm sure someone powerful will take care of it, I gotta get this damn wolf,"
Iceman: "But Jean, your the Ph-"
Jean: "No! I'm Jeany the Vampire Slayer now Bobby, go tell Emma to stop it, she might as well be me now anyway,"
Iceman: "Touche..."
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jesse
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Post by jesse on Jan 8, 2006 1:59:49 GMT
Dude, this series has a theme song. Buying it.
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Post by Duncan on Jan 8, 2006 14:32:25 GMT
What he said.
Furthermore, said theme song > the Darkness.
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Post by Elliot Kane on Jan 8, 2006 23:07:12 GMT
Said theme song = to most boyband 'hits' more like... Just seen the lyrics on LITG. They're rubbish. But then, fitting I suppose...
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Post by hector on Jan 29, 2006 3:28:25 GMT
'it's wearing underpants'
This comic was brilliant.
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