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Post by hector on Jul 28, 2005 2:46:12 GMT
Next Wave: “The team is nominally lead by Monica Rambeau, who was previously, Captain Marvel, Photon, and possibly Pulsar or ‘That Tall Black Woman With The Bad Hair Who Gets Wheeled Out From Time To Time’,” Ellis stated. “Monica Rambeau used to lead the Avengers. She will tell you she used to lead the Avengers until you die. “
“There's Aaron Stack, who used to be called Machine Man when he was the crappiest robot superhero on the block,” Ellis continued. “Since he was last seen, he's rewired his head so that beer works on him, and can often be heard maliciously referring to humans as ‘fleshy ones,’” Ellis revealed. “There's Ellie Bloodstone, daughter of immortal-and-yet-strangely-dead monster hunter Ulysses Bloodstone, who is essentially Lara Croft with the brain of Edina from Absolutely Fabulous. “
Rounding out the cast is a familiar face you’ll remember and a familiar face you won’t remember. “There's Tabby Smith, who has been Boom Boom and Meltdown and probably three or four other names, who used to be in X-Force and Cable And The X-Monkeys or whatever all those damn things were called. She is the mutant Paris Hilton: she makes things blow up, walks around with a cellphone glued to her ear and has a night-vision vagina,” Ellis said with a laugh. “And, of course, there's the Captain -- who is basically every generic superhero called Captain something that Marvel ever published. He's all of them. Changed his name every few months, and then just gave up and called himself the Captain.”www.newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=39159
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Post by Elliot Kane on Jul 28, 2005 2:48:54 GMT
Just looking at that, Hec, thanks...
In order to comment fully, I would have to remove the swear filter and be willing to ban myself for several weeks from my own site.
Instead, I shall merely content myself by saying that for the first time ever, I am HANDS DOWN and ABSOLUTELY a better writer than Warren Ellis, and anyone seeking the proof knows where to find it.
'Ellie' Bloodstone indeed...
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Post by philster on Jul 28, 2005 3:01:40 GMT
In order to comment fully, I would have to remove the swear filter and be willing to ban myself for several weeks from my own site. LoL! Sorry, Elliot.
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Post by hector on Jul 28, 2005 3:04:26 GMT
Eh, I tought you would like it...
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Post by Elliot Kane on Jul 28, 2005 3:04:43 GMT
Elsa is a good character. She does not need this... insult! What she needs is a writer who does not look at her with sneering contempt, as Ellis obviously does, but sees the complexities in her character and is prepared to write her true to who she is supposed to be.
I'd expect better of Ellis than this... garbage!
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Post by Elliot Kane on Jul 28, 2005 3:06:05 GMT
Hec... You've never read any of my Elsa stories. I can tell
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Post by hector on Jul 28, 2005 3:12:03 GMT
Leaving aside the fact that I have yet to see Ellis not look down any character with sneering contempt other than his own, what is that you found insulting? The analogy? coz I drew a blank just after the Lara Croft part.
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Post by Gray Lensman on Jul 28, 2005 3:14:51 GMT
I can't say I'm really excited either.
Ellis on mainstream MU is the big red flag for me. As a general rule, I don't trust Ellis on mainstream heroes, because he doesn't respect or understand them. There are exceptions, but his track record is shakier on mainstream Marvel.
This cast I mostly don't care about. Well, except for Tab, who I absolutely despise. Ellis can wreck her all he wants for all I care.
That's leaving out Elsa, who I do like. And why is she in this again? She's a monster hunter, not a counterterrorist agent.
Not a lot to really cheer for, honestly.
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Post by Elliot Kane on Jul 28, 2005 3:27:38 GMT
Leaving aside the fact that I have yet to see Ellis not look down any character with sneering contempt other than his own, what is that you found insulting? The analogy? coz I drew a blank just after the Lara Croft part. - 'Ellie' to start with. That's an American nickname, not a British nickname. - The fact that he describes her as being like Edina from Ab Fab - who is a complete moron. Elsa is very highly intelligent. - The complete and obvious ignoring of the fact that Elsa is a monster hunter, and has strong moral objections to killing people. She is not just Lara, she is a mixture of Lara & Buffy. Anyone with the faintest understanding of the character would know that. - Elsa has to hide what she does from her Mother. She's also a college student. Both a bit hard when working for a govt agency. In short, Ellis has decided to completely re-invent her from the ground up and then put her in a title where the entire point is to take the piss out of every character in it. I am deeply unthrilled, and intend to ignore this... travesty!
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Post by hector on Jul 28, 2005 3:38:35 GMT
- The fact that he describes her as being like Edina from Ab Fab - who is a complete moron. Elsa is very highly intelligent. I had no idea who Edina was, maybe that's why I tought it wasn't so bad. But yeah, I should've known better. The only reason Ellis picked those z-list characters was to do whatever he wanted with them with a minimum of people complaining. I gotta admit I found the idea moderately intriguing, mainly because I think the Machine Man-turned-Bender is hilarious, and I want see Ellis heap abuse on Boom-Boom But Cable and the X-Monkeys, man, I would buy that in a sec.
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Post by Elliot Kane on Jul 28, 2005 3:42:50 GMT
He should have used Namorita instead of Elsa. She already has the perfect personality and powers for what he wants in that role. She wouldn't need any changing at all. If he HAD - I might have got this, instead of speculating on the amount of rodent in Ellis' ancestry, and how closely they all interbred...
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Post by Gray Lensman on Jul 28, 2005 3:43:53 GMT
I want see Ellis heap abuse on Boom-Boom I like the way you think, Hector. ;D
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Post by Elliot Kane on Jul 28, 2005 3:45:33 GMT
Edina is basically a brainless, shallow fashion victim who is also utterly selfish and has no redeeming qualities whatsoever... Not exactly my view of Elsa, you might say.
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Post by Elliot Kane on Jul 28, 2005 3:48:46 GMT
So yeah, to go with the obvious, anyone wanting to read stories about Elsa would do FAR better to go read my stories about herNot all of them are great, but none of them are as bad as what Ellis is intending. There is this little thing called 'characterisation'...
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Post by philster on Jul 28, 2005 4:42:50 GMT
Just what I do, Elliot, and force the stories down everybody's throats! (Joking)
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Post by jesse on Jul 28, 2005 18:27:25 GMT
I'll probably be banned for this, but....
Buying this.
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Post by Elliot Kane on Jul 28, 2005 19:02:32 GMT
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion Jesse Just don't blame me if it sucks ;D
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Post by thebarkingshark on Jul 28, 2005 19:27:04 GMT
I'm with Jesse, I'll most likely be buying this. -SHARK DIGGLER
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Post by hector on Jul 28, 2005 22:37:22 GMT
I edited the title because now I know Elliot won't enjoy this..
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Post by Elliot Kane on Jul 28, 2005 23:05:31 GMT
I love your talent for understatement there, Hec ;D
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