Wolverine: Origins - The Series!

[Elliot Kane]

A second ongoing Wolvie series, with an as yet unrevealed creative team as Wolvie catches up on his past, evidently.

There's no clue why this needs a new series, rather than being dealt with in the current series, as it sounds like similar stuff.

It looks to me like Marvel are going back to the one X-character they can guarantee sales on... But I'm not too sure this won't be a title too many, especially if the creative team is underwhelming.

Thoughts, folks?

[Sir Ped of Ro]

admin said:

A second ongoing Wolvie series, with an as yet unrevealed creative team as Wolvie catches up on his past, evidently.

There's no clue why this needs a new series, rather than being dealt with in the current series, as it sounds like similar stuff.

It looks to me like Marvel are going back to the one X-character they can guarantee sales on... But I'm not too sure this won't be a title too many, especially if the creative team is underwhelming.

Thoughts, folks?

pointless, pointless and pointless...

Quesad is nowadays the opposite of what he "fought" against in his first years as EIC...
the lack of originality, variant comics speculation and an full exploitation of a couple of characters (wolverine anyone?!) makes this time period some of the best to save some $$$ imho.

looks like the 90's are back...this is so sad

regards

[Duncan]

Well, I read today Marvel published fully 47 different mutant titles last year, which is ludicrous.

This does seem excessive and boring on first look, but it could of course conceivably be a really good comic. I do like Wolverine, but then I don't personally overexpose myself to him. Or vice versa. Whatever.

[Duncan]

That list in full:

Astonishing X-Men
Cable & Deadpool
District X
Decimation One-Shot
Excalibur
New Excalibur
Exiles
Gambit
Generation M
Giant Size X-Men
House of M
Jubilee
Madrox
Mystique
New X-Men
New X-Men: Hellions
Nightcrawler
NYX
Ororo: Before the Storm
Rogue
Sentinel
Son of M
Ultimate Nightmare
Ultimate Wolverine v. Hulk
Ultimate X-Men
Ultimate X-Men / Fantastic Four
Uncanny X-Men
Weapon X Days of Future Past
What If: Wolverine
Wolverine
Wolverine Soultaker
Wolverine: The End
X-Factor
X-Force
X-Force: Scatterstar
X-Men: The New Age of Apocalypse
X-Men: Power Pack
X-Men: Phoenix Endsong
X-Men: Colossus
X-Men: Deadly Genesis
X-Men
X-Men Unlimited
X-4
X-23
X-23/Captain Marvel
X-Men: Kitty Pryde
X-Men: The End

[Elliot Kane]

Yeah, that's a few too many, I'd say... No wonder putting an X on something doesn't guarantee massive sales anymore.

[Elliot Kane]

The creative team for Origins just got announced over at The Pulse

Daniel Way and Steve Dillon.

So - same writer as the current ongoing, then. I see even less point than before...

[Gray Lensman]

I was looking at the reports earlier. Honestly, I was concerned that the writer would probably be Way before they announced it. Just because it's the kind of weak move I expect from Quesada nowadays.

This is such a pointless and ridiculous announcement. This is just another example of what's wrong with Marvel these days. I don't know where to even start.

In the first place, Wolverine is ludicrously overexposed to start with. As previously stated, we have too many X-titles, and way too many Wolvie appearances on a regular basis. Logan needs to be off the Avengers, because he makes no sense there. If he has to be a member of a team, it should be one of the X-books. That's it. He does not need a second solo title.

Also, it's not like Marvel is even currently doing anything with the solo book Wolverine already has. Except for Enemy of the State, the main Wolvie book has been utterly stagnant in recent years. He's pretty much there in the countless team books he's in. Wolverine is in a situation where he shows up all over the place, but his appearances count for absolutely nothing. His character hasn't grown in any meaningful way in twenty years.

Wolverine stories need to be about quality, not quantity. That is what needs to change.

And then there's Daniel Way. Honestly, outside of the Marvel offices, who actually cares about Way? Marvel promotes him all over the place, but his stories have no impact. There's no real demand for his work anywhere. Yet Way manages to get all kinds of projects for no reason I can understand.

To be fair, Dillon is a good artist. I do like Wolvie back in the brown costume. However, on a writing level, there is no reason to be excited about this. They should have given this project to Ed Brubaker or someone of that caliber. A real talented writer that actually resonates with the buying audience.

All in all? This is bound to be another typical Quesada title: pretty pictures with no real substance. The sad part is that people will probably buy it just because it's Wolverine...

[Duncan]

Yeah, Way I just don't care for; don't think I've ever read any of his books in their entirety, but he's fairly obnoxious in interview. So. Forget this (although the character is apparently on hiatus from Uncanny and adjectiveless, so that's something.)

And - who's doing regular Wolverine then?

[Elliot Kane]

As far as I know, Way will be doing both the regular and Origins. He's on the regular now, having only just got it, and there's no announcement of a replacement. So basically it seems that instead of one Way Wolverine title a month, there will be two, and the only real difference will be Wolvie's costume...

I feel like I must be missing something...

[Duncan]

...so you'd think.

Wow, middle(at best)-tier writer on highly-exposed character - twice.

[brett]

I'm guessing they'll replace Way on the normal title with the oft-rumoured Vaughn/Risso team. That would be interesting.

[Duncan]

Hmm. That's actually quite appealling. Risso still has 40 or so issues of 100 Bullets to do though, no?

[jesse]

I think at this point that we can attribute the Marvel renaissance a few years ago to Bill Jemas.

Especially considering how since he left, the company has not only stagnated, but regressed.

He may have been a dick, and had some outlandishly bad ideas, but at least he had them. Ideas, that is.

[Elliot Kane]

Can't fault your logic at all there, Jesse...

[Gray Lensman]

I don't miss Jemas... but I still think Quesada should have been booted along with him. I see no real vision and no real direction from Q. That is, unless you consider copying DC and throwing any old thing haphazardly to compete a direction. Worse, while he's been great at bringing in artistic talent, Q has been an utter failure when it comes to writing talent.

That said, it is true that Jemas had some good and original ideas even if he had many more bad ones. My one real regret is that the Epic line failed before it ever got a chance to really get off the ground.

[Sir Ped of Ro]

jesse said:

I think at this point that we can attribute the Marvel renaissance a few years ago to Bill Jemas.

Especially considering how since he left, the company has not only stagnated, but regressed.

He may have been a dick, and had some outlandishly bad ideas, but at least he had them. Ideas, that is.

got to disagree on that...it was Quesada who pick up DD and along with Smith made some refreshing/very nice run...and the MK revolution was all Quesada's move, whic lead lately to some of the best modern marvel mini series: Inhumans and The Sentry (jenkis and jae lee) and FF 1234 (morrison and jae lee).

the initial moves/creatibe changings were brought by Quesada, who's an artist, the same thing can't be said by Jemas who was a commercial fella.

regards

[Duncan]

Hm, this is true. And lets not forget that it's Billy J's fault that there ain't no Marvel Boy 2, which in my mind would've turned out to be the best reason for inventing paper in the first place.

Regardless, Marvel seems a lot less daring creatively post-Jemas, but perhaps that can be better ascribed to market failures during his tenure. Which are, after all, the bottom line.

[Elliot Kane]

On the upside though, Bill gave us Thanos and the Epic line - both promptly cancelled when he left, so there's no doubt it was his doing.

Much as I complained at a lot of what he did, I do tend to agree with Jesse now that he was the best part of the Jemas/Quesada team.

As for getting the art up to a higher standard, as Pedro mentions, I think that had more to do with CrossGen, and with Marvel learning from them. Joe is definitely very good at getting artists, but his ability to get good writers and put them on the right titles is still open to question, I would say.

As a great comic needs great writing as well as great art, there's a hole there that needs filling.