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Post by Elliot Kane on Jun 30, 2006 8:45:56 GMT
nice point E. has there been a comic that focused on Peter's "death" and what he went trough and the possible "emocional/psychological" damage he may have got?! it could be a very interesting (vital) point to push the characters from cardboard to tri dimensional level, don't you think?! it seems to me that¨Peter only exists due to Kitty's presence regards That would be interesting, Pedro, I agree. I hope Joss will address that, but so far I think you're right - he's there to be Kitty's boyfriend rather than a serious character in his own right. I still think they brought back the wrong Rasputin.
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Post by Terrordar on Jun 30, 2006 9:42:45 GMT
I think that Colossus should have come back, and not Illyana. Because Illyana was an obscure Claremont afterthought who had a sword and demon armor, and Marvel is rightfully trying to disconnect the mutant-mystical connection he made, as it makes a lot of fans mad.
I've come to recently discover how contemptful some people are towards Illyana for seemingly emboding that. In my escapades through my province and the states do different comic shops, she's a real divider among fans of the time, love or hate, but I'd say I've run into more of the 'hate' catagoy, at least along the west coast's shops that I've been.
Colossus is a safe one to bring back, bigger name, more well known, and broadly more liked.
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Post by Elliot Kane on Jun 30, 2006 14:28:18 GMT
"Obscure Claremont afterthought?" Hardly. Illyana not only got her own mini-series back when that meant something, but she was a regular guest in X-Men as well as being the main star of New Mutants. She was and is the most popular character from that series.
I've encountered a lot of comic fans who love her in the last few years, and a lot more who have never heard of her (Obviously as she has not been around in far too long) but I've yet to meet or read about anyone who hates her. And that includes fans on the internet.
Even a lot of the Marvel writers & artists love Illyana, which is why all those alternate world versions keep appearing every year or so - that and Marvel are trying to appeal to her fans without actually having to bring her back.
While there's no doubting that Colossus is the more popular and the bigger name, no-one could possibly argue he is the better character. As has already been noted in this thread, his personality hasn't even been properly consistent for a lot of years, now.
From my own experience, TD, I'd say the area you are talking about is a definite anomaly.
Claremont mixed everything he could into the X-Men, from SF, Fantasy and Horror to Spies, Samurai and Ninja. It's what made them and their spin-offs so utterly unique and interesting - you just could not pigeonhole them as a single genre.
Which, thinking about it, is a large part of the reason why they've never been so good without him. No-one else has ever written them with that range of genres. There's never really been a sense that anything could happen in far too long.
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Post by hector on Jul 1, 2006 0:40:52 GMT
Reading several MBs here and there I gotta say that TD is somewhat right. Illyana seems to be hated for the reasons he cited, though she's as liked by more or less the same amount of people she is despised, which is, not many people at all. Mostly seem to be indifferent.
That being said, I agree with Elliot about the range of genres the X-Men used to have. I love how Claremont had him fighting space aliens in one issue and demons in the next. Juggling between straight superheroics and fighting prejudice. Sure, most of the concepts were ripped off popular books and movies, but he had certain skill adaptating them.
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Post by Elliot Kane on Jul 1, 2006 3:35:04 GMT
...Darn, I really miss the old Claremont, now... Hokey dialogue or not, he really brought those old X-comics to life. Sure, Hec's right, he borrowed a lot of ideas - but every writer does that. It's what you do with them that counts
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Post by Terrordar on Jul 1, 2006 6:17:11 GMT
My area is more polarized on everything, but thats basically the west coast of Canada and the US for you... on every single topic ever.
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