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Post by Venom65437 on Sept 29, 2006 22:53:58 GMT
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Post by Elliot Kane on Sept 29, 2006 23:16:56 GMT
I must admit, I probably would have got this if it weren't for the art when Carey started. Ramos is not one of the artists likely to make me change my mind.
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Post by Gray Lensman on Sept 29, 2006 23:44:33 GMT
I like Mike Carey, and I might be able to enjoy this story... if not for the atrocious art that Marvel keeps saddling this book with. As it is, I can't even understand half of what's going on in this story because the art is so bad.
Bachalo's work on this title has been eye-searingly bad. He's sadly fallen a long way from the work he did on Death and Gen X. I have no idea how this guy keeps getting such high-profile books when his output is this bad.
Ramos is just as bad to me if not worse. Loved his earlier work on Impulse, but his style in recent years just does not work on mainstream superheroes.
It honestly amazes me for a company with so many great artists, Marvel keeps throwing around so many bad ones...
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Post by Venom65437 on Sept 30, 2006 1:38:46 GMT
Yes, as one of the corners of the Marvel U, you'd think X-Men could get good creative teams.
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Post by Elliot Kane on Sept 30, 2006 1:45:24 GMT
The X-Men sell regardless of quality, so I guess if the most appropriate artists are in short supply they're sent elsewhere. That IS just a guess, though...
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Post by hector on Sept 30, 2006 7:01:47 GMT
I really don't give a crap about Carey's writing, or the X-men anymore, and even though I don't hate Ramos as much as most, he isn't exactly someone who encourages me to pick up the books he draw.
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Post by philster on Oct 19, 2006 5:27:25 GMT
Oddly enough, X-Men is pretty popular with the manga community right now. I hate to say it but I think these of us more used to old-fashioned realistic art may be losing the battle right now.
The younger generation wants Bachalo and Ramos it seems.
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Post by Venom65437 on Oct 19, 2006 5:30:15 GMT
Yucky, they can't draw!
Yea, I said it!
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Post by Gray Lensman on Oct 19, 2006 20:40:01 GMT
Not really so sure that the Ramos/Bachalo approach has completely taken over yet. There seems to be plenty of demand for the Jim Lees and Bryan Hitchs of the world out there still. If the likes of Ramos and Bachalo were that popular, we'd see them on all the top titles, but so far we really haven't. The most they seem to get are second-tier franchise titles, and then only over at Marvel. DC goes for much more traditional art on their top books. It'll be a long way before we see that kind of art around as a rule, and for my part, I hope it never does.
That said, it does concern me that the Ramos/Bachalo approach is catching on more. I honestly don't know how anyone can even read the story with art like this...
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Post by Venom65437 on Oct 19, 2006 21:43:05 GMT
Well said, Steve!
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