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Post by Venom65437 on Nov 17, 2006 7:23:30 GMT
I thought it was crap.
Let me get this straight... his Spider-Sense obviously helps him avoid all of the lasers IM throws at himi, but doesn't scream at a BOMB???
Two C-listers (Jester and Jack O'Lantern) then proceed to knock the crap out of him like he was nothing. Only for Spidey to be saved by THE PUNISHER of all people. Now they're both on CA's side.
Oh yea, DD gets captured.
And well that's about it. This was delayed this long for what?
Also, I love how Civil War never mentions what's going on. For instance, if you didn't read ASM, you'd wonder what happened that Spidey and IM are fighting each other all of a sudden.
This is handled just as bad as House of M, you have to read every freakin' book Marvel puts out to fully understand what's going on, but they sure as hell won't get my money like that.
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Post by Elliot Kane on Nov 27, 2006 17:12:06 GMT
I thought it was pretty boring. Almost nothing happened.
It's also really bizarre to see Punisher back in the MU proper. He just doesn't belong there, these days.
I didn't believe those two losers could take Spidey down for one second. They weren't even fifth rate. And isn't his new costume supposed to be some kind of super-Stark-armour? What happened to that?
That was probably the stupidest example of a mismatched fight since Spidey beat Firelord, only the other way, this time. I thought far better of Millar than this kind of rubbish. He's usually a very good plotter, at the very least.
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Post by Venom65437 on Nov 27, 2006 18:02:08 GMT
Spidey owns Firelord, in ASM #270 at least. Hahahahaha!
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Post by Gray Lensman on Nov 27, 2006 18:50:25 GMT
I wasn't terribly impressed with the issue either.
Much of what's going on here is terribly disjointed, and the pacing doesn't flow properly because it expects the reader to have followed a dozen tie-ins. So much for the book being accessible to any reader who picks it up.
Yes, the fight wasn't terribly impressive, much as I like seeing Spidey getting beat on. I'd have bought this fight better had Stark put some kind of failsafe into the Iron Spidey suit. It would also have made Stark look reasonably smarter. Except we get rather a lopsided beatdown for the purposes of bringing Castle on Cap's side.
And speaking of Punisher, the whole thing felt like a rather obvious setup for Punisher War Journal, a book that is honestly rather useless. On top of that, the Punisher appearance does look like an odd fit, and a weak attempt to give Cap and Stark a moral equivalence that doesn't exist. There's just a bit of difference from making a reluctant deal with the Punisher and, oh, hiring an army of sociopathic murderers to hunt down your former friends.
Good to see Ultra Girl again. I may be the only one who read her mini-series, which is actually really good. The downside, though, is... what in the world is she doing here? She's a celebrity heroine looking for stardom. She doesn't have a secret identity; everyone knows who she is. Why wouldn't she register? And yet here she is, fighting on Cap's side. I'm reminded of Grant Morrison's comments regarding Bulleteer, where she was thrown in the makeshift JLA in 52 because the story needed a "lame" hero to stand around and look good. I end up wondering if Ultra Girl is Marvel's Bulleteer in this instance. The whole cameo just looks odd to me.
I've seen much better from Millar than this, if I'm honest.
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Post by Venom65437 on Nov 27, 2006 22:39:37 GMT
You like to see Spidey get beat on? You, my good sir, are in poor taste.
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Post by Gray Lensman on Nov 27, 2006 22:46:32 GMT
I just have a distaste for when popular characters win all the time, V. Same with Wolverine, Batman, and so on. I like them to overcome adversity and pain, just the same as the D-listers.  |
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Post by Venom65437 on Nov 27, 2006 22:55:49 GMT
They why do you like to see Spidey get beat on? Marvel hates him! Spidey has the biggest adversary of all... Joe Q, he can at least beat the crap out of some C-Listers to take out his frustration.
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Post by Elliot Kane on Nov 27, 2006 22:57:17 GMT
I like to see Spidey getting beaten up because I despise men who emotionally abuse their girlfriends, but that's just me ;D
Treating Gwen like a doormat was just not on...
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Post by Gray Lensman on Nov 27, 2006 22:58:33 GMT
You have a point there, V. Quesada beats on Spidey more than Jack O'Lantern ever could. ;D
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Post by Elliot Kane on Nov 27, 2006 23:01:01 GMT
Q hates anything that's changed since 1970 I sometimes think... Except adverts. He LOVES adverts. Preferably more advert than there is story... Makes me wonder who he thinks his actual customers are...
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Post by Gray Lensman on Nov 27, 2006 23:07:56 GMT
My feeling is that Q is attached to the 70's because that's when he got into comics. Or rather, his rather bizarre idea of what the 70's were or should be. I think he also thinks that a great story is in fact a great visual, and has no concept of craft. And so he's thrown in one bad move after another to make the MU what he thinks it "should be"... hence talk of putting back genies in bottles and such.
And oh, are the ads so blasted annoying this month. I thought they learned their lesson after the flap over the stupid Honda Civic ad some time back. At this rate, might as well sell 32 pages of adverts and cut out the story altogether...
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