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Post by sps1000 on Sept 7, 2007 19:54:18 GMT
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Post by Gray Lensman on Sept 7, 2007 22:03:39 GMT
Eh. I'm really not sure it's a good idea to promote a new direction by reminding everyone of a story that was, frankly, quite awful. Not that New Avengers was ever a terribly good idea.
On the other hand, with all the damage Marvel has already done to the X-Men, I'm hard pressed to think of a way they could make it significantly worse. But then, this is Marvel, so you never know. ;D
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Post by hector on Sept 8, 2007 6:55:29 GMT
Eh. I'm really not sure it's a good idea to promote a new direction by reminding everyone of a story that was, frankly, quite awful. But sold more than the Avengers had sold in years, which lead to the still continued success of New Avengers. Regardless of the quality, it' s good idea to use a name of such a successful storyline. Sure, have Mike Carey write more than the one he's already writing. Or bring back Austen. The X-Books aren't in a good condition by any means. It seems as if Carey, Whedon and Brubaker all agreed to regurgitate as many stories as they could, doing them as derivative possible. But at least Astonishing and Uncanny are merely mediocre, with the later even being mildly intriguing. It could be worse, much much worse. |
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Post by The Spider on Sept 8, 2007 18:02:41 GMT
Eh. I'm really not sure it's a good idea to promote a new direction by reminding everyone of a story that was, frankly, quite awful. But sold more than the Avengers had sold in years, which lead to the still continued success of New Avengers. Regardless of the quality, it' s good idea to use a name of such a successful storyline. It does make sense from a marketing standpoint, although Disassembled fits more with Avengers (in reference to Assembled) as opposed to X-Men. Then again, X-MEN: AWAY FROM ME wouldn't work. |
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Post by Elliot Kane on Sept 8, 2007 18:15:57 GMT
I kinda like X-Men: Now We Are Three, personally - coz at this rate that's all that will be left  |
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Post by sps1000 on Sept 11, 2007 1:44:01 GMT
www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/xmen/disassembled/X-Who.htmlMore info. It's official. Cable and Deadpool will be cancelled to be replaced by a new Cable solo series. My guess is Carey will be writing this book as he has mentioned he will be writing a not-so-quite solo book. He may also be writing the new X-Force book with a team of Wolverine, Warpath, X-23, Wolfsbane and from the sounds of it Hepzibah and Caliban. Thus two of the three new X-books are announced, and one of the at least two cancellations. My money is still on adjectiveless. Though how the lineups are going to go is anyone's guess.
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Post by Venom65437 on Sept 11, 2007 3:35:52 GMT
Gotta agree with you that "X-Men" will be the other book canceled.
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Post by Elliot Kane on Sept 11, 2007 5:38:06 GMT
Poor old Nicieza! Not his year, is it? First Thunderbolts, now Cable/Deadpool.
Another Marvel title gone from my list, there. Not many more left...
With the best will in the world, a brand new Cable solo title has about as much chance of working as the last one did - which is to say, I give it a dozen issues at most.
As for X-Force... Oh good! yet another Wolvie title... The most over-exposed character in comics gets more exposure... We know he'll be in Astonishing. Anyone think he'll lose either of his two solo titles?
On the bright side, they clearly put the work into Messiah Complex to get it right before they solicited it, which bodes well there.
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Post by hector on Sept 11, 2007 19:31:46 GMT
Frankly, I was quite surprised that such an awful writer like Nicieza still had a job writing in Marvel.
Not that there aren't any awful writers there, mind you. But those are bad writers who sell a lot, or are Quesada's favorites, and Nicieza was neither.
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Post by Elliot Kane on Sept 11, 2007 19:47:59 GMT
Nicieza does actually tend to write characters in character, Hec,which makes him almost unique at Marvel right now.
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Post by Gray Lensman on Sept 11, 2007 21:18:51 GMT
If this was the Fabian Nicieza of the mid-90's, that would be one thing. He was far overextended beyond his talent in those days, and the quality of his work of the time pretty much reflected that. That said, even then he had some good moments, like the first 2-3 years of New Warriors.
The Nicieza of recent years, though, has gotten a lot better. That is, when he hasn't been saddled with stupid editorial problems or crossovers. And while those stories were not terribly good, they could have been a lot worse.
Cable/Deadpool being cancelled doesn't surprise me, though, as Marvel badly sabotaged it. The book relied on Cable to be the driving force of the series. Nicieza was heading in an interesting direction with Cable before Marvel ripped him out of his own book. Without Cable, the book became a Deadpool comic without much of a clear direction. It sucks, but it's sadly predictable. When a comic gets no internal support, and gets badly damaged by editorial decisions to boot... well, the question isn't if it'll be cancelled, but when...
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Post by Elliot Kane on Sept 11, 2007 21:24:31 GMT
The most ironic thing is that C/DP was one of those incredibly rare titles that was actually gaining readers by word of mouth rather than relying on crossovers to lend them a temporary boost between catastrophic drops. Was a good little title, and I'll rather miss it.
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Post by Gray Lensman on Sept 11, 2007 21:32:16 GMT
Yeah, it was fun while it lasted, especially when Cable was in the book. "The Passion of the Cable"/"Burnt Offering" was easily the best Cable story in an age, and set a very high bar for whoever takes over Cable to follow. And I loved the way Cable and Deadpool grew steadily from enemies into a deep but conflicted friendship. Sucks that we'll never see where Nicieza really intended to take the book, but such is life.  |
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Post by sps1000 on Sept 18, 2007 0:36:07 GMT
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Post by hector on Sept 18, 2007 2:37:06 GMT
[quote author=sps1000 board=Comics thread=1189194858 post=1190075767Will this get me interested in the X-Men comics again and comics in general? We will see.[/quote] Oh, who are you kidding. Of course you will. And so am I. The X-Men are like an incurable virus, no matter how much you think you're cured, there is always a relapse. |
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Post by Terrordar on Sept 18, 2007 3:04:49 GMT
They'd need to do a lot to bring me back on side. A lot.
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Post by Elliot Kane on Sept 18, 2007 7:04:30 GMT
Other than the Illyana one-shot they're promising, I have no interest in the X-titles right now (Or won't have once Whedon is gone & C/DP canceled). But... I won't deny Hec's right. If they turn out something decent again (Unlikely as that is on current showing) I'd probably check it out.
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Post by Gray Lensman on Sept 18, 2007 8:09:22 GMT
At this point, my mutant reading is pretty much down to X-Factor. And the last couple of issues of Astonishing, but those come out so infrequently that I sometimes forget it's being published.
Once Whedon's run is over, that'll basically be it for the foreseeable future. I don't trust Ellis to write mainstream characters, so that's one more X-book dropped. And nothing else I've seen so far even remotely interests me.
If the books significantly improve, maybe I'd reconsider. But I'm not betting on that happening in the near future...
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Post by hector on Sept 18, 2007 9:34:50 GMT
Other than the Illyana one-shot they're promising, You liked soulless, cloven Illyana? |
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Post by Elliot Kane on Sept 18, 2007 12:08:06 GMT
No. It was the biggest piece of crap since the doppelganger in Exiles. And whether I get the one shot or not really depends on who they get to sort the whole mess out. On the other hand, Louise Simonson wrote her really well in the Arcana mini, so you never know...
Marvel are just too inconsistent to predict right now.
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