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Post by Tsel on May 23, 2005 13:04:46 GMT
I have read a handful of the SW books and that is why I was very disappointed with this movie. In the Clone Wars when General Grievous first captures the Counselor he is one super awesome bad mother, with tons of instincts, intelligence, and skill. But in this movie he was portrayed absolutely pathetic. I could go on and on with more comments like this, but then as in the old saying, “The book is always better than the movie.”<br> Tsel ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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Post by Dark Phoenix Rising on May 23, 2005 13:09:21 GMT
I think that the reason that he came a cross that way is that Darth Sidius had come to the end of his use for him, and so no longer fed him useful information. Also in the fight, he is up against Jedi Master Kenobi. While previously he was up against Jedi knights and their charges.
All in all though I enjoyed the film.
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Post by Tsel on May 23, 2005 13:36:32 GMT
So I guess Obi-Wan, was a way superior Jedi Master vs. Jedi Master Qui-Gon Jinn who was simply killed by a Sith Lord Darth Maul? ![](http://www.divinedivinity.net/smilies/rolleyes.gif) Sith Lord is the equivalent to Jedi Knight. The difference between a Sith Lord and a Dark Jedi is the Lords follow the religion Sith. The Dark Jedi do not follow this religion; they are just bad. Tsel ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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Post by Dark Phoenix Rising on May 23, 2005 13:52:34 GMT
Don't forget that Qui-Gon Jinn was killed at least 10 years before the current film (depending on the age of Anakin). The republic has been at war for a significant amount of that time, so it is possible that Kenobi was better than his teacher.
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Post by Buffy on May 23, 2005 14:13:08 GMT
also possible he let his anger help him defeat darth maul.... in which case... he slipped in the jedi code...
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Post by Dark Phoenix Rising on May 23, 2005 14:17:50 GMT
At the time Obi fought Darth Maul, I think he did, but while fighting grevous I don't think did used any anger.
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Post by Tsel on May 23, 2005 14:26:31 GMT
Oh, I agree that Grievous was supposed to die and that Ben was supposed to kill him. But I still hold to my previous comment; I found the movie depiction of him dieing so easily, not worthy of who he was vs. how the books portray him.
Just like Yoda was supposed to get his tiny little backside kicked way harder than what the movie portrayed. This loss of Yoda’s to Sidious was Yoda’s ultimate epiphany to how powerful Sidious really was. The movie did not give you that feel vs. the books.
I am not saying this movie was a bad movie. I am saying that I did not feel the magic from it like the first three original movies. And I read SW books back then too and the movie magic was still there.
Anyway I figured you all would enjoy my devil’s advocate views of this movie.
Tsel ;D
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Post by Buffy on May 23, 2005 14:47:07 GMT
i maybe would have liked to see sidious with a bit more power, I agree.
And maybe Grevious could have died harder, but in the end he was killed with a blaster. Against all of Ben's real skill....
But unfortunatly, this is not LOTR, and its not three and a half hours long. So its not complete.
Its hollywood.
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Post by Elliot Kane on May 23, 2005 14:51:35 GMT
I know I do, Tsel ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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Post by Buffy on May 23, 2005 17:16:13 GMT
one and a half hours to go before i see it agian.... yeah!
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Post by Shan on May 23, 2005 19:22:52 GMT
And no matter what anybody says, I still say it was great. I'm still going to see it again this week. And I agree with Buffy. A book is a book and you can't tell a story on screen like you can in a book. There is not enough time. Even Lord of the Rings, as long as it was, was not complete. There were lots of things left out. So I don't get why it is such a big deal with things being left out or not as strongly enforced as they were in the books. We went to see a movie, not read a book anyway. As for the Jedi becoming stronger than their masters, I would expect it. If they stayed the same all the time then the order would never progress. I would think that the more they studied and learned the more intune (or what ever you call it) they would become with the force. They would be building on the knowledge of their masters. My thoughts, but hey I thought the movie rocked. I didn't go trying to compare it to anything (book, movie or movies). ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) Shan ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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Post by Tsel on May 23, 2005 19:31:34 GMT
Others were more powerful than Sidious previously and Sidious even said this himself. Tsel ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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Post by peterh on May 23, 2005 20:28:28 GMT
that was FECKING AWESOME!!!
WORDS CANNOT DESCRIBE HOW COOL THIS WAS...
I'm actually speechless....
A supremely good movie, very dirty, very violent and we enter full circle....
GODDAMN!!!!!!
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Post by Shan on May 23, 2005 21:00:55 GMT
Way to go Peter. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) You know a good movie when you see one. Totally awesome describes it pretty well. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) Shan ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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Post by Shan on May 23, 2005 21:07:02 GMT
True, but not all Jedi were as strong in the force as others, so some Jedi would never be more powerful than their masters were. Still other would come and learn from their masters and go on to be even more powerful because they were stronger in the force. So what Sidious said makes perfect sense to me. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) It still take nothing away from the movie though. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) Shan ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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Post by hector on May 24, 2005 0:19:31 GMT
Oh, I agree that Grievous was supposed to die and that Ben was supposed to kill him. But I still hold to my previous comment; I found the movie depiction of him dieing so easily, not worthy of who he was vs. how the books portray him. Or the CN Clone Wars cartoon, where he was a Jedi Killing Machine. But neither was Lucas' vision of him. In the movie, he was a coward, who kept running away from Obi-Wan. He was little more than a plot-point and a cool visual. Was he dissapointing? Maybe, but I never liked him much to begin with.
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Post by Buffy on May 24, 2005 7:05:51 GMT
third time and counting... ;D
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Post by Max on May 24, 2005 16:44:58 GMT
I finally saw it last night and it was GREAT! It had a different feeling from the previous two and different from the original...I don't quite know how to explain it. Once it had ended, I thought about it for a moment and realized how well the plot was wrapped up. It was just great! Once it comes out on DVD, me and my dad are gonna watch Episodes 1 to 6 all through! ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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Post by philster on May 24, 2005 16:52:13 GMT
Got a date to see this flick on Thursday. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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Post by Buffy on May 24, 2005 17:58:45 GMT
whos your date Phil?
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