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Post by Macbeth on May 1, 2008 11:00:23 GMT
Hey everyone, the following link leads to a website that wants to do more to stop violence against women. It is an initiative of UNIFEM Goodwill Ambassador Nicole Kidman. You can add your name to the petition. I certainly have. www.saynotoviolence.org/Pass on the message!
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Post by Galadriel on May 1, 2008 12:32:38 GMT
Voted and my mother voted as well
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Post by Elliot Kane on May 1, 2008 15:29:50 GMT
What exactly is this petition hoping to do? Obviously I am very much against violence to women (AND to men, for that matter!) but I don't see any declared aim or supporting statement for this thing.
Is it aimed at domestic violence? Street crime? 'Honour killing'?
Who will the petition be sent TO, and what results are they hoping FOR?
Sorry, Macbeth, but this would look pretty dubious, to me, even if I'd ever heard of UNIFEM, which I haven't...
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Post by Macbeth on May 1, 2008 17:15:15 GMT
Voted and my mother voted as well Thank you!
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Post by Macbeth on May 1, 2008 17:16:31 GMT
Elliot, if you browse the website a bit, you'll find more info. And even if you think it's dubious, why not sign for such a worthy cause?
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Post by Elliot Kane on May 1, 2008 17:33:40 GMT
Because the cause isn't even stated, MacBeth.
'Violence against women' could include everything from banning women from front line service in the army to opposing male-on-female domestic violence to banning women from wrestling or boxing or even learning how to defend themselves. Is it opposing female-on-female violence, male-on-female violence, or both? Will it be used to oppose women taking part in violent sports, even if they want to? It could be. It could mean anything.
Where's the line?
What will they DO with this petition when it's done?
What are they hoping it will accomplish?
None of these questions are even addressed by the petition, let alone answered.
I would expect any genuinely international organisation to put forward a petition that had actual sense and meaning, not a hopelessly incompetent mess like this.
It looks more like a means of gathering e-mail addresses for spamming purposes than a genuine petition, to me.
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Post by Galadriel on May 1, 2008 18:09:17 GMT
Signing this petition doesn't requires anything else then a few seconds of your time Elliot. The petition does have a clear message if you saw the video. It's violence in every possible way towards women: Mentally violence, sexual violence, war violence, rape, female mutilation and so on. Nicole Kidman isn't the kind of person to be an ambassador for a cause that leads to nothing. I think it's a great thing to be the face of. And no one asks for money, so what's the big deal if you sign this?
@ Macbeth My pleasure, always there to help out
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Post by Elliot Kane on May 1, 2008 18:17:40 GMT
The big deal is the lack of clearly stated aims & goals on the petition, Gal.
I'm absolutely against violence, but I'm also against restricting women's freedom to do martial arts and other dangerous sports if they want to. Women should have choices, and this could be used to restrict or remove those choices.
When I sign any petition, it has to have clearly stated goals that reflect my views. This has no stated goals at all, so I cannot support it.
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Post by Galadriel on May 1, 2008 18:35:01 GMT
No one is forcing you Elliot, it's your choice.
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Post by Elliot Kane on May 1, 2008 18:38:51 GMT
It absolutely is
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Post by LaFille on May 2, 2008 2:59:27 GMT
Click for source document (pdf). I didn't dig the organization's claims/affiliations/support and only checked quickly their sections about violence against women, but the information seems to be there, if not on the first page. Non-profit organizations often seem to have a poor web design/management.
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Post by Glance A'Lot on May 5, 2008 9:36:47 GMT
It seems to be a legitimate organization - UNIFEM article - sponsors mentioned not without interest. While the cause in itself is worthy, the argumentation is - polemic and placative. One in 3 women may suffer from abuse and violence in her lifetime. This is an appalling human rights violation.This is misleading and from my point of view even untrue, as: Every single human being, male or female, and a lot of animals too, since we are at it, MAY suffer from abuse and violence (from Mankind!) in their lifetimes.And yes. I'm against it (meaning violence against sentient and sensitive beings)
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Post by The Sonar Chicken on May 6, 2008 19:14:31 GMT
Hmmm... I rarely bother with electronic petitions 'cos they rarely make any sort of statement or have any kinda impact. To be honest, there're like over 3 million petitions on the net and rarely have I heard about a politician or a top organisation figure paying any attention to them.
I see quite a few documents and studies on the Unifem site but... where're the workshops and other materials for establishing a safe environment in the family? I'm sorry to say this but the objective of the site seems fairly murky. They need to re-organise it.
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Post by Dark Phoenix Rising on May 7, 2008 16:33:44 GMT
I agree with EK, Glance, and Lucifiel. Saying no to violence against women is just too broad a subject for me to sign up to. After all, I'm all in favour of women getting involved in football, rugby, the armed forces, private bedroom stuff that they enjoy, martial arts, and such like... But I'm so not in favour of anyone being assulted, abused, or randomly being beaten up without consent.
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