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Post by Elliot Kane on Jun 15, 2008 0:06:38 GMT
...I see that one, Peter - now that you point it out. Whether it's a trick of the light or not, I cannot say...
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Post by peterh on Jun 15, 2008 0:12:12 GMT
...I see that one, Peter - now that you point it out. Whether it's a trick of the light or not, I cannot say... Yeah, the face on the front door was the first thing that caught my eye when I saw the pic up close. I didn't even have to look - it was just there. I still can't see the girl on the balcony but this guy I do see. Could be a trick of light, but rather peculiar that different people find two faces in the same pic...
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Post by Hand-E-Food on Jun 15, 2008 0:51:09 GMT
In the front door at the top center window I manage to see a male with a moustache wearing a hat. It's probably just my imagination but take a look. Heh. I see exactly what you mean. There's every chance that the woman I see is simply coincidently scatterd photographic noise. I wonder, would I have seen the woman or the moustashed man if I hadn't been pointed towards them? Lews, the face you saw is interesting, even after I outlines what I saw, I could then see both faces. They even share an eye. We're organising a roadtrip up to the place later this year. The house is generally booked out four to six months in advance. I'm very interested to see what I feel in that place.
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Post by LaFille on Jun 15, 2008 1:41:35 GMT
Thanks for posting the pics and sharing your stories... The orbs that you see I ever had similar ones in pictures I took indoors in the current house I'm in... I was photographing my puppy; I'll try to find them back. I never had the idea that my house could be haunted. Dust, light or condensation I don't know what the orbs are, but it hints to be a phenomenon linked to indoors photography to me.
I couldn't see the faces either until you guys outlined them; I wouldn't feel up to say whether this is truly hinting to paranormal either. I ever had the experience of a place giving the feeling of an energy to give me chills (it was an abandoned chapel with so weird objects in it), but I didn't see other traces, we didn't have cameras and I only went there once. Guess remains open...
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Post by vanny on Jun 15, 2008 1:55:21 GMT
Hay Mister E, it's hard to explain the feeling, some of the rooms inside the house were noticably colder then others, but I just didn't want to be left alone anywhere, my husband kept walking ahead of me and I kept calling him back and finding myself telling him off. It almost felt like I was being constantly watched or even followed. Almost like something was behind me, but I knew there wasn't. As I said, people need to go there to experience it themselves. The atmoshere is defenetly heavy, feels like something is in the air and it's more evident in some rooms then others. It's really hard to explain. I work in an age care facility and have so for 9 years, and I deal with deaths all the time, and you sometimes do feel the residents hang around for a time after they have passed. But this was definetly different. Just very heavy. Unexplanable. If you get a chance, please check it out for yourselves. And in response to PeterH, you just freaked me out more!!!!!! I honestly do not know what to think about all of this, never expected anything like this to come up on any pictures I'd have taken. It is really unsettling to think I was there and never actually saw anything. Vanny
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Post by Elliot Kane on Jun 15, 2008 1:59:07 GMT
This kind of thing fascinates me, I must admit. There have been enough reports of ghosts and the like to convince me something exists that we cannot explain, yet. What it is and how we do explain it is something else, of course...
One speculation I have had on the matter is that the energy for these manifestations - whatever they are - must come from somewhere, which would explain the oft reported temperature drops - the heat from the air is, after all, a form of energy...
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Post by Elliot Kane on Jun 15, 2008 2:01:58 GMT
Vanny - I know what you mean. The place feels like it wears its history heavily. There are many places in Britain that are old and I've been in a few. They have their own atmosphere - almost like a personality that's built up over long centuries...
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Post by vanny on Jun 15, 2008 2:31:14 GMT
ok, I just checked out all 3 photos I took of the front of the hose, the lady only appears in one but the man appears in 2, the 3rd picture a hanging light covers where the mans face is, so I am guessing maybe the man's face could be a reflection of the hanging light on the window? As I said, I am not sure about anything, this whole this is open for interpretation, I took these pics and on inspection: mark, michelle, hamish and I saw the woman and freaked.........Mark put these up to get people's take on this, I am not sure of anything. It's a haunted house, I felt really weird in it, and then these things show up on my pics, and I am not the only one this has happened to. If you visit the monte site, they have other pics to look at. If you google monte cristo pictures, others have put their weird pics online also. I wish I could explain it for my own sanity but I really am not sure of anything, just that it has spooked me.
I do have other pics if people wish me to send them.
Vanny
Vanny.
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Post by Lews on Jun 15, 2008 4:14:55 GMT
I can't see the second face at all.
I think Peter's mind is playing a trick on him.
Imagination.
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Post by Elliot Kane on Jun 15, 2008 7:12:34 GMT
As an interesting and possibly related side note, any good psychometrist (a term with which I'm sure Alrik at least is very familiar) - or 'object reader' - will tell you that a physical object will often retain a sort of psychic impression of its owner, particularly if that owner felt strong emotions or a particular attachment to it. I see no reason why the same principle could not apply to larger objects like houses. Older buildings especially would thus gain a certain 'feeling' from the overlayered impressions left by many occupants.
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Post by Alrik on Jun 15, 2008 10:09:24 GMT
Vanny - I know what you mean. The place feels like it wears its history heavily. There are many places in Britain that are old and I've been in a few. They have their own atmosphere - almost like a personality that's built up over long centuries... Exactly. I've experienced similar buildings. Not many, but some, noticeable to me. In esoterics, people say that everyone who lived in a house or used a tool leavs behind some sort of "energy imprint". It's a bit like a finger imprint, but only energy. And since different people have different kinds of energies, every imprint is different. The tool is through this kind of "bound" to the user. This is probably why in some cultures tools are sometimes explicitely broken when the owner dies and is buried: The tools, stonewares, pots, for example, etc. belonged to the owner in the way that he or she left kind of an "energy imprint" on them. I personally tend to believe that HSPs highly skilled in empathy can somehow sense/i] this kind of imprint. It's a bit like an "embedded emotion imprint" so to say, in the few cases I have experienced it myself.
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Post by Alrik on Jun 15, 2008 10:31:23 GMT
Here are links to the photos. Dining Room Orbs - Three orbs are visible, two clearly and a third faint one above the painting. Given all three lie on a dead straight line, I originally thought this could be lens flare. Sitting Room Orbs - Another two orbs are plainly visible. This debunks the lens flare theory. Lens flare always draws a line through the center of the shot. Shed Orbs - Several orbs can be seen in the ceiling. Front of House 1 - Vanessa thought she saw something in the upstairs window of one of these photos. Do you? Front of House 2 - How about now? Close up of her - I've modified this image using Microsoft Office Picture Manager. The photo is cropped, resized to 200%, +25% brightness, +25% contrast, and +25% midtone. So, what do you reckon? Many thanks to Vanessa Lucas, the photographer and copyright owner of these photos. On the first photo, I cannot see anything orb-like. On the second picture I do - above the glowing lamp which is hanging from the ceiling. Nothing else. On the shed photo I can see only one orb - on the far right side - right side of the highest window on the right side. Above, where the upper horizintal wood bars meeth the bars going to the right side, there are small, round thingies in the same colour like the orb which I believe could be very, very big nails connecting these "bars", because they appear where I would expect similar nails, and they follow a line there. Difficult to describe in English language for me. On the exterieur pictures I couldn't see anything excfept something that looks like a big, barren face which can be a trick of the light and some tree in the photographer's back being mirrored on the frontdoor. I cannot see the "black woman" so far. Interestingly, I've once read about a scientific study which says that the amount and layout of the cells in the retina responsible in the eyes for looking vary vastly among humanrace. Which quite astonished the science-people. This could therefore mean that is some people don't see / fail to see "something", but other claim they can, this could be caused by the fact that the layout and amount of cells in the retina is so much different among humans. Edit: Okay, after the red outline I can see her now. To me, it's like something you can only see if you KNOW where to look ... and *what* to look after ... I'm currently wondering whether this could be some kind of "information field" after Rupert Sheldrake which is passed from the one to the other, here: in our group - to see where to look at (which spot, actually).
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Post by Alrik on Jun 15, 2008 10:47:34 GMT
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Post by Alrik on Jun 15, 2008 10:54:13 GMT
Last thing before I go out by bike : Does omeone of you have the pictures in an non-compressed format ? Or are you able to convert the *original* pictures into the BMP format ? Because pictures are often in JPEG, which causes some "blurrement", so to say. (Blurring, distortion.) Because BMP pictures are not blurred or distorted usually by the JPEG compression method. Also, JPEG is a loss-compression method. B;P is loss-less, but not compressed at all. Which could mean that the pictures would be really BIG in size !
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Post by Hand-E-Food on Jun 15, 2008 12:42:34 GMT
The pictures were taken with a digital camera so most of what I've provided are the original jpgs. There are no better quality pictures. I think the compression on them set to 90% quality, 10% compression, so they should be pretty good.
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Post by Hand-E-Food on Jun 15, 2008 13:01:17 GMT
It almost felt like I was being constantly watched or even followed. Almost like something was behind me, but I knew there wasn't. Wow, I know that feeling. I've had one of those following me most of my life. It's like a looming presense that only comes up in the night. It's always behind me, specifically always behind the direction my head is facing. Despite it being behind me, I know exactly what it looks like. It could be simply be a fear of the dark, or it could be something else. Also, given it's always behind my head, perhaps it's a physical sensation always in the same spot, caused by either fear or something paranormal? I spoke with a strongly spiritual friend about this one night and she described to me, over the phone, exactly what the presense looked like, just as I saw it. It matched the image in my own head. She described it as a poltergeist, a malign force that causes and feeds off fear. I was astonished that she could identify it. One thing I clearly remember is her being surprised and telling me "It doesn't realise you can see it." She gave me tips on dealing with it that have worked since. The poltergeist bothers me a lot less now. I still get the sensation in this house from time to time, but it's sometimes different, more peaceful. Maybe it's something similar but different? I showed another friend the photo tonight. He couldn't find the black woman himself, but saw it immediately once it was pointed out. My opinion keeps shifting between real and coincidence. There's so many reasons it could be coincidence, and one solid chuck of image that looks just like a woman to me.
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Post by vanny on Jun 15, 2008 16:32:18 GMT
I'd just like to thank everyone for thier opions on this matter, I really don't know what to think. Again, the lady is clearer and more detailed if you look at it on a laptop rather then a normal computer screen. I have both and I only see her better on the laptop. All I can really say is the feelings I was feeling at Monte Cristo was unexplainable, not a fear exactly but I was definetly apprehensive and I couldn't expalin why. All this was happenening at a very sunny day at 2pm so I'm pretty sure it wasn't fear!!!, I do feel I am aware or sensative when something is about at times, it is hard to explain. It all does seem a bit weird, but I do work in age care and deal with death all the time, I've been there holding residents hands when they die and you do feel them leave and even lingure afterwards sometimes in a few cases, but this was definetly different. It wasn't evil I don't think, just extreamly uncomfortable, you almost felt unwelcomed, felt someone there but could not see them, just an all over uneasiness in a mid sunny afternoon! The whole feeling was throughout the property, especially inside the house. It may sound weird but it almost I felt I was followed and I can't beive I am saying any of this!!!!!!! Please, agin if anyone has a chance, go check it out for yourself and let me know how it went. And take pics to see if you get anything!!!!! Cause we defenetly never expected this!!!!!!! And check out the places history and haunts stories on it's website www.montecristo.com.au/index.html. Thanx again to everyone for their imput, I really appreciate it, we are planning on booking in a nights stay with mark and michelle soon, so I'll let everyone know how that goes, if we get anything else on camera, I'll get mark to post it again. Thanks again to all. Vanny
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Post by Elliot Kane on Jun 15, 2008 17:57:19 GMT
Thanks for a very interesting topic, Vanny! This sort of stuff fascinates me, and I doubt I am alone
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Post by peterh on Jun 15, 2008 22:06:09 GMT
I've had those sensations where everythings all of a sudden grows cold and you feel watched. It's happened quite a number of times and in those situations you just know there's something in the room. It's never scared me much and I do believe that if it was indeed a spirit or a ghost then it'd have friendly intentions. It doesn't make sense to me why something hostile would watch me at my own place - if something was indeed there. That might change if I went to a haunted place but having never been to one I'll maintain that whatever does watch us will have friendly intentions. I'll end with a weird little story. My aunt and uncle have four kids who all grew up on a farm. All the kids had an invisible friend as a child but my aunt didn't think much of it. The invisible friend was a male who lived behind the barn and wore farm clothes seen ages ago. As later revealed, all my cousins had the exact same friend - from the name, the place and down to the clothes. The very same! One day my aunt and uncle were watching a tv show about ghosts and then it hit them - the kids had the exact same invisible friend! Could it have been some sort of ghost? The tv show said that children are more open and sensitive to ghosts and given that my cousins didn't talk among themselves about him how would each kid meet the same guy at the same place? I don't think highly of that side of the family but I can't see them lying about this as they have no reason to. Might all be a memory slip or coincidence - migth be something else. I don't know, but it's an interesting story. I can't see the second face at all. I think Peter's mind is playing a trick on him. Imagination. Oh, and lews - it seems the more people can see the face I pointed to than the one you did, haha!!
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Post by Lews on Jun 16, 2008 1:02:57 GMT
I see something, but it's your imagination making it into a face.
It's all just tricks of the mind.
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