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Post by The Sonar Chicken on Jun 16, 2008 2:41:28 GMT
Interesting topic... I don't really see anybody in any of the pictures, though. Perhaps it's just my eyes or a matter of perception.
I do see the orbs though but I thought it might be a matter of lighting or something else.
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Post by Galadriel on Jun 16, 2008 8:07:33 GMT
I can see a woman on the top floor, it's not a reflection of the window, cause the window is open. And above the door, I clearly see a face of a man, I can even see his haircut. The man looks very strict and the moustache is one that was prolly in fashion around that time. Since the light is a complete other shape then the mans face, I truly believe there was a man staring out of the window. I find the pics higly interesting, no doubt that you, Vanny, felt a presence in that house. I wish I could go there myself, I'm also a HSP and visiting places like graveyards and castles is kinda like my hobby. It's not the first time I can feel people around me. They don't scare me at all, but the people that died there are still around cause they died before their time was there. Mostly murdered.
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Post by vanny on Jun 16, 2008 9:29:22 GMT
Yeah!!! Someone else can see her!!!!!! Most responses say they have trouble. It does looks heaps better on a laptop screen. After looking up the history of the place on the website I must admit the mans face (who I thought could be a reflection of the hanging light) is similar to Mr crawley, The original owner and who built Monte cristo. As for the woman, it could be Mrs crawely or the pregnent maid who jumped or was pushed off the balcony. Not really sure. But thanx for your reply, nice to know you can see the woman too Vanny
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Post by Alrik on Jun 16, 2008 16:24:42 GMT
I do see the orbs though but I thought it might be a matter of lighting or something else. Astonishingly, I can see nothing but TWO orbs in ALL pictures ! If someone gives me an e-mail adress (HEF ?), I can draw a circle around those I can see. But I hope I could describe their place good enough.
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Post by LaFille on Jun 16, 2008 18:00:49 GMT
Ok, here are the pictures I talked about... Unfortunately, they were re-touched and I don't think I have the originals anymore; it was only brightness/contrast/saturation adjustments though, and you can see the "orbs" relatively well nonetheless. The camera was an Olympus C-5000Z. Picture 1Picture 2
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Post by Alrik on Jun 16, 2008 21:01:28 GMT
Okay, I think I should add that I'm seemingly having kind of an subtenant here. I still don't quite know ... But I do know this feeling of ...it kind gets cold and I "get the shivers". i don't quite know ... but I believe I "found" this "subtenant" through a few packages of the old Ultima RPGs I bought on a flea market long ago. I think it was 32004 or so. He or she or it hides in a corner of my room, or onder a certain table which i use as a place to place unneeded stuff upon. He or she or it only gets disturbed when I try to tidy up the room a bit. Then, I sometimes have the feeling of someone banging on my door, or shouting into my ear with increadibly strength. At a few occations, I had the feeling as if the entity tried to get hold of me, tried to connects itself to my "energy systems", so to say, as i call them (sounds weird altogether, huh ? ). Once, I had the feeling as if it was a cat jumping onto me. If I leave those corners alone, however, everything is quiet. I still don't know "who" this is, and I personally believe that it is unlikely that I'll ever find it out. However, I often try to reach kind of telepathic contact with this "subtenant", which of course never works. However, I often try to send messages, and willfully try to contact that which "gives me the shivers". Then, i have the feeling of kind of an entity there, but I'll never, ever know for sure, I fear. Maybe I'm not sensitive enough. I have heard stories of people being able to see "the small folks" or "fairies" or whatever they call them, I remember one report of a woman claiming she could see them in her garden. However, these people almost always also speak of a high responsibility this "talent" brings with them. It's as if some very talented person had got this only to bear a greater responsibility. Like a natural moderator being destined to become a moderator (crappy example, I know.) I sometimes think that these "orbs" could be a shapeless form of ... "entities" ? ... As if you take water in space with zero G. It instantly forms a ball. Maybe these "ghosts" are able to take whatever form they want at will ? Of what do they consist, then ? This always with the assumption that this is no "trick of the light", but instad for real. It might need centuries until we'll be abl to actualy learn the "real truth". One of my most favourite "thought plays" is to think about how these phenomenons could fit into our current view of evolution. What kind of benefit would a "ghost" have in evoution ? What kind of benefit would be in any re-incarnation ? What we actually need are some pioneers who are trying this : To try to deduce and erect theories that could explain all of these "esoterical things". Find out how they could fit into our current scientific view of the world. But instead, scientists put almost all of their energies into trying to prova that these things *cannot* exist. With this approach, they aren't open anymore, because they bear some kind of prejudice - prejudice against things they and we all cannot explain. So instead of looking for any explanation model, they rather seek to find an "falsifying model", so to say. The first one is about inclusion of these phenomenons into our current scientific view of the world, the other one is about exclusion of these phenomenons ... out of our current scientific view of the world. What we actually need is more research and more research and more openness. No belief - neither in what's unreal, nor in what "cannot be". I once said that in religion "belief substitutes knowledge". But on the other hand, those who "believe that things *cannot* be" also have the same problem : Belief substitutes knowledge. Only, that this is the belief that "things *cannot* be". Thisis what must be eradicated, imho. *Real* scientific knowledge must not have ANY prejudices in EITHER direction !
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Post by Gray Lensman on Jun 16, 2008 21:27:24 GMT
I've looked through the pictures a few times, but I can't make any clear determination for or against. I saw the orbs clearly in the pictures. Those could be some kind of camera effect... but I can't really say with any degree of certainty. I didn't see anything else unusual in the photos. However, that could just be me... I have a habit of not noticing that sort of phenomena. That isn't to say there may not be something there, though. I accept the possibility that something could be there that I'm not seeing. I'd just need more to go on before I could make any kind of definitive conclusion. Very interesting, though, and worth investigating further.
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Post by Galadriel on Jun 17, 2008 14:50:34 GMT
I put both pics next to eachother and searched for any spot that would be on the same place as in the other pic. The "orbs" vary from place and sizes soo much to think that they are waterspots on the lens of the cam. But my guess here is that those are prolly dustparticles, when a dog runs around a lot of dust can be swept up and catch the light of the flashing cam. This is just my opinion, for all I can see soo far.
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Post by Hand-E-Food on Jun 17, 2008 23:10:19 GMT
I agree Galadriel. All of the orbs I've seen in the pictures, Vanny's included, are probably dust particles in my opinion. You can even see the layers of dust on the ground in Vanny's photos.
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Post by Alrik on Jun 18, 2008 17:14:41 GMT
To me, they rather look like round Algae.
But who knows ?
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Post by LaFille on Jun 19, 2008 3:52:44 GMT
Good guess, the dust particles... For the reflections and feelings, well, I guess we'll all find the answer at some point, if not being up to share it so much.
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Post by vanny on Jun 19, 2008 6:21:22 GMT
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Post by Ubereil on Jun 19, 2008 10:13:43 GMT
Sidescroll from hell! Vanny, that link is awfully long. If you have a long link it's better to use this code: This is a link to google.com. Quote my post to see what the code looks like. Or you can just click the button with a planet on it (the second from the left on the second row) and get an hyperlink wizard. Übereil
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Post by Alrik on Jun 19, 2008 20:04:54 GMT
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Post by Galadriel on Jun 19, 2008 21:34:47 GMT
The pics are very nice, I like the one with the orb on the wooden couch.
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Post by Lews on Jun 20, 2008 0:53:25 GMT
If its a dusty place lots of people will get similar orbs..
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Post by LaFille on Jun 20, 2008 3:53:50 GMT
All these pictures have in common to have been taken at low lighting... I would be inclined to believe that they're optical effects, especially if the person didn't see anything of this then through his own eyes. The trails of light look a lot like the effect it does when we photograph something luminous or shiny at slow shutter speed and that we have a slight shake or picturing light in movement... Are there fireflies in Oz?
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Post by Alrik on Jun 20, 2008 17:06:09 GMT
The question I ask myself personally is this :
What difference is there between "taking a photo" with our own eyes and with this "mechanical eyes" - the photos n effect ?
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Post by Alrik on Jun 21, 2008 21:41:10 GMT
Today, I had a thought. The "orbs" remind me of the phenomenon the dictionary calls it in English language the "will o' the wisp". en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will-o'-the-wisp Usually, these "things" or rather: "lights" are depicted as something roundish ... But I personally can't says for sure, since I haven't found photos of any yet. I wonder whether they might be in fact similar "orbs" ? Or other pnenomenons in some way connected with them ? I don't know. This was just another thought I had. Follow the link above to learn more about it. And read the entry "Irrlicht" on that Wiki-page (scroll down to see it among many, many others). Edit: Unexpectedly, Wikipedia also has a page on Orbs ! : en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orb_(paranormal)
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Post by Elliot Kane on Jun 21, 2008 21:44:06 GMT
Will o the wisps are usually considered to be a manifestation of marsh gas. I think these orbs are far more likely to be dust motes, as others have suggested.
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