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Post by Elliot Kane on Oct 26, 2009 12:24:48 GMT
Anyone who may have noticed I am quieter than usual and who has been wondering at why, this is it. I have long known that the current govt of the UK was full of liars, fools and incompetents. This is obvious to all and crosses party boundaries rampantly, meaning I have little good to say about most of them. However... Recent allegations have been made by Andrew Neather, an ex-govt adviser of a deliberate plot stemming from the very top of the governing Labour party to destabilise, weaken and otherwise damage the UK. There's a word for people who do that to their own country, isn't there? I find it very hard to believe and I hope the allegations will be proven false, but if they are true... Well. I never would have believed it, even of this lot. This is why I may not seem quite like myself of late.
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Post by Dark Phoenix Rising on Oct 26, 2009 13:22:56 GMT
The world is a game board, and we are but pieces in the great game.
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Post by The Sonar Chicken on Oct 26, 2009 14:17:15 GMT
Hmmm... errr... what is wrong, though? Sorry for asking. Or did you mean that given the state UK is in, opening the doors to immigrants destabilises the country economically and in other means as well?
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Post by Dark Phoenix Rising on Oct 26, 2009 14:26:21 GMT
What he's getting at is that the politicians have been using immigration as a game piece to poke at the right wing politicos here, without actually considering (deliberately so) the impact that it would have on the indigenous population. This in turn as lead a lot of the indigenous population to start supporting parties like the BNP who appear to be listening to them, and then we get to where we are now.
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Post by Elliot Kane on Oct 26, 2009 15:07:04 GMT
The problem is the absolute disruption that uncontrolled immigration causes in ANY nation. There are costs to the economy and most of all to the society. There is no way that newcomers can properly integrate or that the infrastructure can keep up with population growth (Resulting in poorer social services everywhere: a strain on schools, hospitals, housing, employment, etc).
Controlled immigration is a good thing and always will be - England is a nation of immigrants! - but UNcontrolled immigration is a nightmare destroyer.
The problem is that this nightmare has been unleashed not through ineptitude, but by deliberate design.
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Post by The Sonar Chicken on Oct 26, 2009 15:08:54 GMT
That... is kinda... *sighs* that kinda reminds me of my Singapore's government who haph-hazardly increased the population by millions, without proper city planning and without understanding or even giving a hoot about the impacts it'd have on the people, culturally, economically and otherwise. In short: that kinda sounds like utter b*stards. Man... let's build a dream where the ruling parties are all effigies who're eternally on fire... ;D Edit: oops just read your post, EK... WTF ... deliberate design? I'm just starting to wonder if the Singapore govt did the same too.
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Post by Elliot Kane on Oct 26, 2009 15:11:29 GMT
You understand then, Luci. You've seen it. And if that amount of destruction is unleashed by deliberate design, the word is not 'bastard'. The word is 'traitor'. Worse by far...
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Post by The Sonar Chicken on Oct 26, 2009 15:28:06 GMT
Oh well... yeah, that sounds utterly screwed-up on many levels.
Well, here... there're currently too many people here atm: not enough jobs, effing roads STILL getting jams 10 years after ERP(Electronic Road Pricing) was implemented, too many people everywhere during the weekend and so on... thing is, it's probably far worse but I don't even wanna know anymore.
Housing is probably mixed: prices are for HDBs(which over 60% of the pop lives in) are going up but they're priced at 130, 000++ GBPs and above. I can't remember why they're shooting up 'cos economics and financial figures aren't my best forte... though I also know that there're flats everywhere still for sale.
You know, I' can't even recall WHY the govt wanted to increase the pop... urgh ... gonna pop a couple of brains here. Something about cheap foreign talent I think... but you know, most of them are not going to be staying here, in part due to the attitudes the locals have(they were already snobbish and utter [Censored]es to one another... with well... "foreigners", it's far worse) and also 'cos of the way the govt treats them like cheap, disposable waste.
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Post by Dark Phoenix Rising on Oct 26, 2009 15:31:19 GMT
it probably had something to do with getting people in to do the jobs that the local population were unwilling/unable to do. (same excuse they use over here)
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Post by The Sonar Chicken on Oct 26, 2009 15:37:54 GMT
Oh yes... that was the excuse they used here but... oh please... they simply threw away all those old people who were incapable of speaking mandarin and english, the ones who built the country into the way it is today 'cos they are an "embarrassment" as they aren't that "civilised" and are independent human beings capable of thinking. The worst thing is: much of the younger population are greedy pricks who buy into the govt's incentives and "money packages" and thus, "the govt is always right".
Well... if the govt had bothered to give them opportunities, then the old wouldn't be going around begging for money and selling garbage scraps from the streets. Then we wouldn't have such a big problem here. Lately, many of the older people who were abandoned have been getting really pissed-off: you people know what are "attempted suicide assassinations", right? It kinda proves that if you kick a loyal dog for too long, it might come back to bite you in the butt.
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Post by The Sonar Chicken on Oct 26, 2009 15:44:31 GMT
Oh and the govt has probably encouraged the older population to work and for more people to employ them but... I wonder how many of them can speak English and Mandarin? Or if not, how many people will be willing to teach them English or some other languages?
And ow... my right hand really hurts.
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Post by Dark Phoenix Rising on Oct 26, 2009 16:03:09 GMT
That's the sort of thing that's happening here - however it's less noticeable as it's the uneducated that are getting pushed out - those that only have primary school level reading abilities, who's english ability is on the same sort of level as some of the emigrants, and who used to make up the bed rock of our society.
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Post by The Sonar Chicken on Oct 26, 2009 16:27:45 GMT
Well... yeah, most of those older people are kinda considered "uneducated" too as they speak only Chinese dialects which have been phased out years ago. In fact, I think... much of the population thinks of them as useless or something.
DPR: That sounds utterly horrible too... =/
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Post by Ubereil on Oct 26, 2009 18:54:51 GMT
"I remember coming away from some discussions with the clear sense that the policy was intended - even if this wasn't its main purpose - to rub the Right's nose in diversity and render their arguments out of date."
Elliot, I know you don't like the current govt, but don't get too carried away. Especially not after reading an article about how good immigration has been to London. You might not agree that the good outweights the bad, but that doesn't that Labour 2000 decided to destroy the country with uncontrolled immigration just to make the right wing look bad.
Besides, going from 50 000 immigrants per year to 150 000 immigrants per year isn't exactly uncontrolled. It might be too much, but it's still only 0,25 of your total population per year.
Übereil
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Post by Elliot Kane on Oct 26, 2009 19:32:58 GMT
Ube...
You're missing the main sentence, which is this:
It didn't just happen: the deliberate policy of ministers from late 2000 until at least February last year, when the Government introduced a points-based system, was to open up the UK to mass migration.
Doing something to 'get the Right wing' is not treason. Doing something to deliberately destabilise the country IS.
The 150,000 is only the LEGAL migrants they will admit to, too. No-one has the faintest idea how many illegals there are, nor is any effort really made to find out, nor to get rid of them. Even were the figure utterly accurate, however, 150,000 a year, every year, is still vastly too many for our infrastructure to cope. Britain is already one of the most crowded nations in Europe, even without that.
As DPR has said, it's one of the main reasons our political extremist parties - particularly the BNP - are gaining ground.
Oh, and that mass migration has been good for Britain is just this guy's opinion. You won't find too many people who share it.
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Post by The Sonar Chicken on Oct 26, 2009 19:46:38 GMT
150K per year? Wow... ours shot off from .. let's see... 2.7m people in 1991 to about 4.8m people now and they are STILL trying to admit more people. Errr... let's just say that given how things r now, the govt will probably call an election very soon. Pftt... I sure as hell won't vote for them! I mean... it is going to be a walkover as normal but... but... I will still tell them to go <censored>. And oh... just like your country, we have a lot of "illegals" here including... prostitutes and maids.
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Post by Elliot Kane on Oct 26, 2009 19:50:32 GMT
Are you lucky enough to get all the criminal gangs, too, because of insufficient background checks? We are...
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Post by The Sonar Chicken on Oct 26, 2009 19:53:52 GMT
No, it won't happen yet but it WILL soon 'cos the govt here decided to open some casinos and... well, illegal money and gangs always run with casinos. *sighs* Pretty soon, we're going to be a in a giant hotbed of crime... as if it isn't bad enough already. :/
Actually... I think there ARE such gangs here except that the press never reports about them. Come to think of it, that'd explain why Singapore is banned in some sites 'cos of high fraudulency (from illegals and the locals) and a huge ton of other problems.
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Post by The Sonar Chicken on Oct 26, 2009 19:57:07 GMT
They're mostly credit card, stolen items, cloning of handphones, etc. kinda gangs.
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Post by Elliot Kane on Oct 26, 2009 20:33:48 GMT
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