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Post by cleglaw on Mar 2, 2007 16:34:49 GMT
Elliot used his mobile to call Peter when Elliot's car was already on the starting line. Peter had to get to the track before he could even begin. That could be an alternate answer.
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Post by Shan on Mar 2, 2007 16:39:38 GMT
elliot had already made alterations to his chevy knowing that he was going to challenge peter. he then made the stipulation so that peter could not go make any altertions to his (peter) car.
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Post by Dark Phoenix Rising on Mar 2, 2007 17:11:21 GMT
In this variation on the game of Poker, two people play as follows: Player 1 takes any 5 cards of his choice from the deck of 52 cards. Then player 2 does the same out of the remaining 47. Then player 1 may choose to discard any of his cards and replace them from the remaining 42. Then player 2 may discard any of his cards and replace them, but he may not take player 1's discards. ALL of the transactions with the deck are public knowledge, unlike the real game of Poker.
After this process, the winner is the one who has the better poker hand. For the benefit of those who have not played poker, these are the highest ranking hands, in decreasing order of value: Royal Flush: the A K Q J 10 of the same suit. Straight Flush: any five consecutive of one suit. Highest card of the five is the tiebreaker. No one suit is more powerful than another. Four of a kind: all four of one rank (i.e. four aces). A hand with 4 aces outranks 4 kings, etc. Full house: a pair of one rank and 3-of-a-kind in another rank, i.e. Q Q 8 8 8. Flush: Any 5 cards of the same suit that don't satisfy #2.
Because of the clear advantage of player 1, the win is given to player 2 if the hands are equal in strength.
Which player would you rather be? What strategy do you use?
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Post by Dark Phoenix Rising on Mar 2, 2007 17:12:42 GMT
Elliot lives closer to the track than peter and so had more petrol, and as filling the car up with petrol would be an alteration, peter ran out of petrol during the race.
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Post by Elliot Kane on Mar 2, 2007 17:28:12 GMT
DPR - player 1.
As my first move, take the four tens plus one other card. This ensures whatever the other player does I can get either a royal flush or a straight flush, whereas the best he can manage is a 9-high straight flush, giving me the win.
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Post by Ubereil on Mar 2, 2007 17:56:54 GMT
DPR - player 1. As my first move, take the four tens plus one other card. This ensures whatever the other player does I can get either a royal flush or a straight flush, whereas the best he can manage is a 9-high straight flush, giving me the win. I'll second that. Übereil
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Post by Elliot Kane on Mar 2, 2007 20:12:34 GMT
DPR - I think you're right on the fuel thing being key for the other answer to the car question. With no pit stops around, Peter's car will run out of fuel before the race is over - especially if he's just finished one race a few seconds ago and is nearly out anyway ;D
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Post by cleglaw on Mar 3, 2007 1:09:17 GMT
OK. Here is a hint. When LaFille said, "He chose a day where there had been a big snowstorm or something similar." He was on to something, but he didn't explain how the weather would make a difference.
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Post by cleglaw on Mar 3, 2007 1:11:02 GMT
DPR - player 1. As my first move, take the four tens plus one other card. This ensures whatever the other player does I can get either a royal flush or a straight flush, whereas the best he can manage is a 9-high straight flush, giving me the win. That sounds right to me.
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Post by LaFille on Mar 3, 2007 3:32:21 GMT
He chose a day where there had been a big snowstorm or something similar. How does that explain it? Oops, sorry, missed that one; such conditions would have put him at a disadvantage because of the low[ness] of the race car; he would stay stuck at nothing in the snow, in addition to being at a disadvantage on the adherence with the tires in these conditions at the start.
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Post by cleglaw on Mar 3, 2007 5:56:52 GMT
How does that explain it? Oops, sorry, missed that one; such conditions would have put him at a disadvantage because of the low[ness] of the race car; he would stay stuck at nothing in the snow, in addition to being at a disadvantage on the adherence with the tires in these conditions at the start. Rain. Say more about the tires on an Indy racecar, and, the rain.
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Post by LaFille on Mar 3, 2007 22:15:46 GMT
I don't know Indy racecars as such, sorry. Or probably any racecar in particular, for that matter. But a guess would be that there are no "cracks" that are made to provide adherence in rainy conditions and such in those tires, that they're flat-surfaced; or maybe are they also the kind with a rubber material made to "stick" to the road when heated to provide said adherence and that it doesn't work when it rains.
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Post by cleglaw on Mar 4, 2007 0:41:01 GMT
Right. No treads. No treads=better traction. The treads are for rain to prevent hydroplaning.
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Post by Shan on Mar 4, 2007 2:09:59 GMT
In this variation on the game of Poker, two people play as follows: Player 1 takes any 5 cards of his choice from the deck of 52 cards. Then player 2 does the same out of the remaining 47. Then player 1 may choose to discard any of his cards and replace them from the remaining 42. Then player 2 may discard any of his cards and replace them, but he may not take player 1's discards. ALL of the transactions with the deck are public knowledge, unlike the real game of Poker. After this process, the winner is the one who has the better poker hand. For the benefit of those who have not played poker, these are the highest ranking hands, in decreasing order of value: Royal Flush: the A K Q J 10 of the same suit. Straight Flush: any five consecutive of one suit. Highest card of the five is the tiebreaker. No one suit is more powerful than another. Four of a kind: all four of one rank (i.e. four aces). A hand with 4 aces outranks 4 kings, etc. Full house: a pair of one rank and 3-of-a-kind in another rank, i.e. Q Q 8 8 8. Flush: Any 5 cards of the same suit that don't satisfy #2. Because of the clear advantage of player 1, the win is given to player 2 if the hands are equal in strength. Which player would you rather be? What strategy do you use? player 2. and i have no idea what strategy. i simply picked player 2 from your description of the game because I figured if I knew how to play poker I would have a strategy.
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Post by Ubereil on Mar 4, 2007 10:22:04 GMT
And then player one would pick four tens Shan, and you would have no chance at winning at all. Übereil
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Post by Shan on Mar 4, 2007 17:24:49 GMT
But Ube, player 2 has got to have some chance of winning or at least tying with player 1 or what's the use of playing. Plus this is a brain teaser, isn't it? Player 1 is obivious, but someone who who really knows how to play poker should at least be able to tie him, shouldn't they? I have no idea how to play poker, but I will still go with player 2. *gives everybody a determined look*
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Post by Ubereil on Mar 4, 2007 17:59:11 GMT
Think of it Shan. Royal Straight Flush is the best hand, Straight Flush the second best. Player 2 can't get Royal Straight Flush without one of the tens, and he can't gett a better Straight Flush than nine top. If he gets 9, 8, 7, 6, 5 in one of the colours, then player one gets a straight flush and beats him (or why not 10, 9, 8, 7, 6 and beat him?). If player one gets the four tens player 2 isn't able to beat him. It's as simple as that.
Übereil
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Post by Elliot Kane on Mar 4, 2007 19:09:28 GMT
Player 2 is actually the person with the 'obvious' advantage, as he gets a win if the hands tie. It's just a mental game - no-one would seriously play poker like that
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Post by Shan on Mar 4, 2007 20:23:46 GMT
Royal Straight Flush, Straight Flush, uh what do you mean? They make no sense to me. ;D
Told you I had no idea how to play poker. Player 2, I'd still rather be player two. ;D ;D
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Post by Shan on Mar 4, 2007 20:25:46 GMT
Player 2 is actually the person with the 'obvious' advantage, as he gets a win if the hands tie. It's just a mental game - no-one would seriously play poker like that Yeah, it's a mental game, and I am determined Player 2 has a chance no matter what or at least he does in my head. ;D
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