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Post by Glance A'Lot on Jan 7, 2007 19:58:10 GMT
I hear you Elliot - and admire you for your view - my position on what I feel to be appropriate (or not) stands though. But that is and remains just mine.
I also do not expect, or demand, or feel entitled to (or any other equally inappropriate synonyms), anything with regards to justifications - other than that you and Steve continue to excercise the responsibility coming with the powers you have, as you both did to date - again, in my view.
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Post by janggut on Jan 8, 2007 3:58:28 GMT
EK & Mr Grey, i do not know enough to tell if your decision is wrong. however i cannot see how it is right either. as far as i can tell, i just do not know enough to know what is going on. still, according to your first post, the decision seems uncalled for. however Steve mentioned of someone reporting Misty's conduct so i guess there may be some truth in it. still, i just don't know enough how right or wrong u are in your decision. ultimately, i see that this is your forum, therefore u have the ultimate say on what goes & what doesn't here in CC. & that, i do not contest. everyone does what they think is right.
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Post by Alrik on Jan 8, 2007 12:11:49 GMT
I do know Mistry is or was quite aggressive in her remarks, but I think I could endure that.
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Post by Maddie on Jan 8, 2007 16:59:52 GMT
To clear a few things up, I can completely vouch for Elliot's decision. It's true that BJC left because of Misty. And it was because of her constant attacks on him. She would often hide her attacks by sending them in personal messages (many of which contained threats to keep his mouth shut or Nights will 'teach him a lesson'.) and in the chat, so when she would say something on the message board, she would hide her smart remarks with a smile. If you look back at many of the forum arguments they had between each other you can obviously tell her plan was to shoot and take cover by pinning the blame of a fight on someone else. Not to mention creating false information about him to make him look bad. All of it spanned from jealousy that started with Nights. Anyone who stuck up for BJC (or anyone else she had problems with) immediately was granted an insulting name or horrible accusations about their personal life. (Which I cannot mention in good taste...) She did the same to Elliot. She'd often sneak her insults into forum posts, but covering it up with something that would get everyone's attention in another way. Flirting as often her way of distracting people. Anybody who thinks Elliot is overreacting, I can honestly tell you it's not something he wanted to do. He told many people many times that he didn't want to ban her just because he didn't like her. The ban was well deserved in my opinion. Sorry to make such a serious post, but it needed to be said. And yes, I have BJC's permission to post this.
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Post by Ubereil on Jan 8, 2007 17:09:54 GMT
Will he come back? (BJC that is.)
Übereil
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Post by Elliot Kane on Jan 8, 2007 17:43:44 GMT
Thanks, Maddie Those of you who wanted the evidence now have it. For those of you who don't know, Maddie is one of BJC's best offline friends. To those of you who have trusted me throughout: thank you! It means a great deal to me. To those of you who have had doubts: I understand entirely. I may well have felt the same in your position. I trust we can now all move on together, putting this whole nasty business behind us.
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Post by Bad Wolf on Jan 8, 2007 17:59:32 GMT
These are all nice and well but hard-bitten remarks in posts are hardly badgering anyone to leave. Could you please post the PM’s or the chats to show us your proof. I am sorry but this all still here say and here say doesn’t mean much in the way in proof. I also think its amazing if this is the truth that you waited this long to announce this. I am sure if some was if someone was attacking me I would post it on the boards that day to make it stop.
I have been contact with Misty over AIM. She said she had no jealousy toward BJC and avoided him. Misty said she hasn’t been in a chat with BJC since after her brother’s banned and never PMed him ever. The last time she said she was in chat with BJC the only one that was threatening to run anyone off was BJC and she sent copies to both Steve and Elliot but nothing was done. She also shown me chat that she had saved to e-mail.
Misty also said that she showed pages listing the fact BJC lied about his age and the fact he was a wrestler. She said she showed it to three people on the boards, one being PeterH. From what she figures Peter H told him about this and which lead him to delete his account here and the locking or deleting the sites with this information on it. I am sure that it will be said that the accused made these sites but for some reason I find that far fetched.
I did run a google search using BJC login and messengers information as given to me by Misty that supports the deleting and locking in Misty’s story.
Like I said this to could be consider here say not proof. Unless some hard cold proof is given I still believe this seem to vendetta, probably left over from her brother’s banned, by the administration and BJC camp. It is far fetch I know but Misty has actually shown more proof to this degree then Elliot, Grey or Maddie.
The whole veiled insults argument doesn’t really hold water for it’s all a matter of point of view. Once again unless you can actual read a person mind you can never really tell a person exact intent by just reading there post on a message board especially when we bring sarcasm into the argument.
Here say is still here say.
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Post by Maddie on Jan 8, 2007 18:11:42 GMT
Can you share the chatroom session where BJC said he would outrun Misty from the forum, Badwolf?
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Post by Elliot Kane on Jan 8, 2007 18:15:35 GMT
These are all nice and well but hard-bitten remarks in posts are hardly badgering anyone to leave. Could you please post the PM’s or the chats to show us your proof. I am sorry but this all still here say and here say doesn’t mean much in the way in proof. I also think its amazing if this is the truth that you waited this long to announce this. I am sure if some was if someone was attacking me I would post it on the boards that day to make it stop. I have been contact with Misty over AIM. She said she had no jealousy toward BJC and avoided him. Misty said she hasn’t been in a chat with BJC since after her brother’s banned and never PMed him ever. The last time she said she was in chat with BJC the only one that was threatening to run anyone off was BJC and she sent copies to both Steve and Elliot but nothing was done. She also shown me chat that she had saved to e-mail. Misty also said that she showed pages listing the fact BJC lied about his age and the fact he was a wrestler. She said she showed it to three people on the boards, one being PeterH. From what she figures Peter H told him about this and which lead him to delete his account here and the locking or deleting the sites with this information on it. I am sure that it will be said that the accused made these sites but for some reason I find that far fetched. I did run a google search using BJC login and messengers information as given to me by Misty that supports the deleting and locking in Misty’s story. Like I said this to could be consider here say not proof. Unless some hard cold proof is given I still believe this seem to vendetta, probably left over from her brother’s banned, by the administration and BJC camp. It is far fetch I know but Misty has actually shown more proof to this degree then Elliot, Grey or Maddie. The whole veiled insults argument doesn’t really hold water for it’s all a matter of point of view. Once again unless you can actual read a person mind you can never really tell a person exact intent by just reading there post on a message board especially when we bring sarcasm into the argument. Here say is still here say. So you are saying that Misty has been obtaining log in and messenger information about BJC and using it to search for details about him on the internet, BW? She doesn't seem to like him, is certainly not a fan, and certainly has not got his best interests at heart. So why would she do that? Assuming for one second that BJC ever did lie about his private, offline life (which I personally do not believe for a second), why would that give Misty or indeed anyone the right to dredge through the internet solely looking for some reason to discredit him? Does that sound like a reasonable thing, to you? To me, that sounds like cyber-stalking, and you say that this admission came from Misty herself, which I believe gives it a lot more credibility than mere 'hearsay'. You have just absolutely confirmed that my decision was the right one. Thank you.
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Post by Bad Wolf on Jan 8, 2007 18:34:19 GMT
Misty said his messenger information was in his profile on the board so not really secret information. She said that when ever her or her brother say that he wasn’t a what he said he was he would say prove he wasn’t. Misty said she just took what information she had and went about doing that and believes this is why she was banned.
Elliot you really need to nail down the reason why she was banned. The first reason of the banning was admitted to running off BJC. Then secret information and that only you were privilege to know. After that creating false site and information against a person. Now the story is that she stalked him. Pick one and stick to it.
You just seem to be jumping at any reason to make it where you don’t seem like a jerk or that this isn’t based of your own personal bias. In my eyes you are coming off as vindictive liar unless you got a real reason. It’s just coming off as you making up a story as you go along.
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Post by Maddie on Jan 8, 2007 18:38:49 GMT
Badwolf, are you under the impression that Saint Misty only did one thing to tick people off at this forum? You're sadly mistaken.
And I assure you, BJC never, ever admitted to not wrestling. Ever. Everybody on the forum can probably vouch that during all the arguments they had, he defended himself as he should have.
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Post by Elliot Kane on Jan 8, 2007 18:44:36 GMT
On the contrary, BW. I have been entirely consistent.
I have said all along that Misty was banned for admitting she tried to drive other boardies off the site. That rather strongly implies that I know she is guilty of what she confessed to, doesn't it? But I couldn't reveal how I knew because that would mean naming other people.
She is still banned for trying to drive other people off the board. Nothing has changed in any way at all.
I'd also love to know where this one came from. I've certainly never mentioned it, as fact, cause or anything else, and I don't see where others have... Are you saying Misty did this, too?
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Post by Bad Wolf on Jan 8, 2007 19:26:45 GMT
Elliot it comes from Maddie post.
Not to mention creating false information about him to make him look bad. All of it spanned from jealousy that started with Nights.
Your proof for the running off is very thin. After your first post Grey stated it some secret information was evolved in making this decision. Then Maddie came with her here say. I also hope the evidence was shown to Elliot and he didn’t just go by Maddie’s word. I hope the evidence was shown other then just Elliot for we already determined there was bad blood between him and the accused.
Despite you saying everything has been proven and cleared it’s not. Everything has just gotten more complicated and cloudy.
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Post by Elliot Kane on Jan 8, 2007 19:34:00 GMT
Where does Maddie say anything about creating a SITE, BW? She says exactly what you've quoted: 'creating false information'.
That to me does not imply or even hint at creating an entire SITE for false information. Do you know something we don't?
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Post by Bad Wolf on Jan 8, 2007 20:00:59 GMT
Misty said her evidence was a locked Xanga and a locked My Space. So since that is the only information that I seen from either side I have to assume Maddie is talking about it. You seem very worry about wording of phrases when the real question is anything you or Maddie said true since neither of you want to share PMs or info that may or may not exist to prove your case.
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Post by Elliot Kane on Jan 8, 2007 20:07:43 GMT
If Misty was using those sites for reference, I don't really see how anyone could think she might have created them, BW... I don't even see how you could make that mistake.
I'd like your opinion on what Misty has freely told you she WAS doing, though, which is to deliberately try to dig up dirt on BJC. Why on Earth would she do that? And do you think that is a reasonable thing to do?
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Post by Terrordar on Jan 8, 2007 20:24:19 GMT
Anyway, I've switched teams here folks. I found some interesting evidence of my own, not in relation to any of the 'bannable offenses' here. If anyone wants to know, get a hold of my over AIM.
But to say the least, yea, so long Misty. Thy won't be missed.
Whether or not she's guilty of these offenses means little to me, she's guilty of something almost as bad anyway.
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Post by Ubereil on Jan 8, 2007 20:40:05 GMT
Terrordar: filled with righteous and he's after YOU! ;D Anyway, I can't access that AIM. A hint is that aim isn't a registered protocol . Übereil
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Post by Glance A'Lot on Jan 8, 2007 22:47:05 GMT
Just as a matter of principle - a PM is a private or personal message, and it is just what is says, private and personal - to both sender and recipient. Anybody posting such publicly or to third parties without the express consent of BOTH, even in excerpts, is breaking a confidentiality, if not even law.
Nobody has the right to demand such - and to do so would infer to me that one would be prepared to do so, if one thought one would have to prove something for one's own benefit.
I leave it to anyone's imagination of what I would think of such person.
Do I sound irrate? Well - I'll better withdraw then from this debate, and cool down.
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Post by Gay Titan on Jan 9, 2007 1:03:57 GMT
I have been reading and trying to make heads/tails out of this. To be honest, I never interacted with Misty. I respect Elliot though, and like his idea to put this nasty business behind us.
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