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Post by The Sonar Chicken on Jan 7, 2008 20:00:58 GMT
Hmmm... I've read a ton of really popular comics like Death Note, Shin Angyo Onshi and a ton of other stuff where the "main character" is a guy/gal with completely no morals. Okay, not all are "fantasy" but some are really dark fantasy. Tell me these are more popular than tripe like Naruto, Bleach, Inuyasha and crap like that, and I shall be force to call you the lyingest liar that ever lied. Dark/amoral fiction has a growing fanbase, but it doesn't remotely come near to the humongous, drooling mass that prefers simplistic morals and predictable, formulaic characters and plots. ... ... pretty strong comments, hm? I enjoy all sort of stories and that does NOT make some kinda moron, k? Just like how some people see Harry Potter and Robert Jordan as total crap, I'm entitled to enjoy my own comics and I could care less what anyone thinks. Hmmm... as if Naruto isn't amoral in a sense: what sorta country or village sends out children to die as warriors? Some of the characters must have been 5 to even 6 years old when they started indiscriminately murdering people. Tell me that's a right thing to do and I'll give you a special reward. Actually, as much as I like Claymore: no. The "good" Claymores tend to be, well, pretty good. Yeah, they're developed characters, no argument about that. But are they particularly amoral? Not really. The theme of a secretive organization and humans persecuting others for being "different" is nothing new. See X-Men. Claymore's setting is no fluffy fantasyland, but next to some others, it's not that dark or gritty. Also, again, it has limited popularity either as manga or anime. It will never spawn series with episodes in the triple digits. [/quote] Well... you're not considering the fact that children can also be monsters or the organisation which used children as fighters: look at Priscilla and Rika of the West. If you want to consider their age, they must have been less than 11 years old or something. Of course the organisation is standard but any body which uses children for real combat without any regard for their emotional needs, is "amoral". And are you sure they're all entirely good people? Some of them might be "good" but they also tend to treat others harshly or even not care about the others. So, your definition of a good story is anything that sells triple digits? Geez... what kinda stuff do you read? Regardless, I don't think I want to talk to you any longer.
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Post by Winterfox on Jan 8, 2008 6:08:18 GMT
[Hmmm... as if Naruto isn't amoral in a sense: what sorta country or village sends out children to die as warriors? Some of the characters must have been 5 to even 6 years old when they started indiscriminately murdering people. Tell me that's a right thing to do and I'll give you a special reward. Do its "good guys" do anything of really questionable, dubious morality? (Killed someone innocent, that kind of thing? And not in the past, but something shown on screen in the ongoing story. Antagonists converted to the hero's side don't count because, well, duh.) Does it not follow predictable shounen formulae and stuff its story/characters from end to end with all the cliches of the genre? Hmm? Riful. Her name's Riful. Do we get organization people--the men, anyway--featured as protagonists or major characters we can sympathize with? Well? No, we don't. They're just typically shady figures we are meant to be suspicious of. Of course they are amoral. Uhm, yes? There've been bad apples among the Claymores, duh, but again they are presented as antagonists (Ophelia, assorted Awakened) or drive-through bullies. Oh my god, lookit, this series has antagonists who are not nice people. Revolutionary! When it comes to Claymores we're meant to care about, you have the survivors of the north (who are all fairly nice people--nothing wrong with that, they're still developed some of them multi-faceted characters, but they are not all that morally questionable), Clarice (who's really a naive carebear), Galatea (whose current goal is to protect Rabona and the children), and so on. Teresa wasn't exactly the most wonderful human being at first, but the "grumpy warrior who inside has a heart of gold" is a trope far older than anime or manga. At one point, she believes strongly enough in the organization's directive not to kill humans that she's going to lie there and let a bandit rape her. Wow, that's amazing. I mean, it's like you and I are speaking different languages. Let me spell it out for you: Connect this with the above Not coincidentally, Inuyasha, Bleach and Naruto all have anime with episodes in the triple digits (!). Now employ a little logic and read that again.
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Post by mysterd on Jan 14, 2008 3:04:38 GMT
Not really, no. I dodged the romance part. The sex is a lot harder to avoid, but I THINK it's avoidable if you're really careful... Oh okay... 'cos seriously: from what I've read, it appears as though some of the characters tried to change him. As though that sorta thing does any good. Yes. If you follow Shani's path instead of Triss's path, you will see this majorly. Shani is a character who would like to mold Geralt into a better person; and often, you will see Geralt talk and act like he'd really like to follow this path....although, he never will, if you keep following the game... If he did follow through, that'd be the end of Geralt's adventures, I'd bet. Triss is the opposite of Shani -- she just loves Geralt as he is. She doesn't want to change him or anything. About regaining memories, if you follow that quest-line -- yes, you can get back some memories back of Geralt and all. Those are side-quests, namely. Though, the game is trying to stand on its own with Geralt. They refer to some things in his past, but not all -- such as the refer to the past w/ Triss and Geralt a lot, since Triss is pretty much always involved in Geralt's adventure. I guess you'd probably have to read The Last Wish and all of the other books about Geralt, to get all of the insight on him -- I ain't read those, so I dunno'....
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Post by The Sonar Chicken on Jan 15, 2008 15:43:01 GMT
Oh okay... 'cos seriously: from what I've read, it appears as though some of the characters tried to change him. As though that sorta thing does any good. Yes. If you follow Shani's path instead of Triss's path, you will see this majorly. Shani is a character who would like to mold Geralt into a better person; and often, you will see Geralt talk and act like he'd really like to follow this path....although, he never will, if you keep following the game... If he did follow through, that'd be the end of Geralt's adventures, I'd bet. Triss is the opposite of Shani -- she just loves Geralt as he is. She doesn't want to change him or anything. About regaining memories, if you follow that quest-line -- yes, you can get back some memories back of Geralt and all. Those are side-quests, namely. Though, the game is trying to stand on its own with Geralt. They refer to some things in his past, but not all -- such as the refer to the past w/ Triss and Geralt a lot, since Triss is pretty much always involved in Geralt's adventure. I guess you'd probably have to read The Last Wish and all of the other books about Geralt, to get all of the insight on him -- I ain't read those, so I dunno'.... Oooh... okay, those are interesting comments and you know what? I'll stop judging the game and play the game. Btw, OMG!!!! I found out that the lead producer of the Witcher, Sande Chen, also voiced the protagonist of one of my fav. adventure games: The blackwell legacy series!!! HOLY 2#$#@$@#$#@$
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Post by mysterd on Jan 16, 2008 2:09:07 GMT
The Demo gives a huge portion of the game -- The Prologue and Act 1. Worth a try, if you got the time to download the HUGE DEMO. I think it's like 2GB....
Might take a bit of time to get through them two parts of the game, though. Yeah, especially for a demo. Took me a few days to get through those parts, when I first bought the game.
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Post by hector on Jan 18, 2008 5:29:02 GMT
Ah, what the hell. I'm downloading the demo.
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Post by The Sonar Chicken on Feb 6, 2008 18:50:47 GMT
Btw, halfway during the tutorial level, I got hit by something about Talents and character development. I thought nothing of it and hit cancel, wanting to look at it later 'cos I was busy finding my way around.
Anyways, I looked it up later in the Journal and when I hit the Hero screen, I was unable to upgrade my skills? Does this mean I can only make use of my Talens: upgrade my skills when I gain a new level? Geralt's at level 1, atm.
So far, the game is kinda fun although I can't wait to leave the fortress.
I do have an issue with the horrible and cluttered inventory system and basically, the glossary and everything to do with stats, inventory, quests, etc. It seems they've gone overboard and tried to give way too many options and sub-categories than you could count.
Also, I found the stuff about "needing lots of books" in order to know that said component and stuff, kinda contrived. >>;; Why they couldn't just provide a few encyclopedias is beyond me: isn't knowing about monsters and stuff, basic Witcher education?
Oh and btw, someone died: I could care less. He didn't grow on me any. -__-;;
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Post by Ubereil on Feb 6, 2008 19:27:36 GMT
Geralt suffer from amnesia, remember? Or do you suffer from it too? ;D
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Post by The Sonar Chicken on Feb 6, 2008 19:37:13 GMT
Geralt suffer from amnesia, remember? Or do you suffer from it too? ;D Übereil Well, what I meant was: since knowing about monsters and stuff is basic Witcher education, wouldn't they have some tomes or encyclopedias lying around? After all, it's true that you need to fight such creatures but wouldn't you have to refresh your memory every once in a while as some monsters are so rare that only the vets have likely seen and fought them? Edit: Hmmmph, I ain't suffering from amnesia and don't make me "amnesia" you.
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Post by Elliot Kane on Feb 6, 2008 19:45:47 GMT
Talents are the things you spend to improve your skills, Luci. If you're still level one, you won't have any yet, IIRC. When you level, you should be told you have new talents to spend.
And yeah - you skipped over a very important piece of info - well done! ;D
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Post by Galadriel on Feb 6, 2008 20:01:27 GMT
Hmm this is going to be hard, saving up to buy The witcher or to do this citytrip I'm planning for such a long time now... ;D
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Post by The Sonar Chicken on Feb 6, 2008 21:33:16 GMT
Talents are the things you spend to improve your skills, Luci. If you're still level one, you won't have any yet, IIRC. When you level, you should be told you have new talents to spend. And yeah - you skipped over a very important piece of info - well done! ;D I dunno... I got that stuff about character development and having Talents in the tutorial... hmm. What "very important piece of info"? Btw, so far... I'm enjoying the game though it remains to be seen what the outside gameworld looks like. With all that talk about dark and gritty stuff, I'd expected to see tons of corpses hanging around, lots and lots of intestines, brain smash, crazy monster ripping out someone's heart and feasting on it in front of you, etc. but I'm guessing it's more in terms of politics and interaction between the various ethnicities? The combat, btw... I find it cool although a little annoying 'cos the npcs are just waving their swords in front of you even though you can't even land a blow on them due to wrong sword style. Perhaps it's 'cos I'm playing in "Easy" mode... but that's actually more of the AI, right?
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Post by Elliot Kane on Feb 6, 2008 22:08:26 GMT
Yeah, it's mainly the politics and a few other mature themes. For once when they say adult they don't mean 'teen idea of adult' - or not as much as usual, at least...
If they aren't hitting you it's coz you're on Easy and close to the start of the game, I'd say. Once you leave the castle things get a little harder...
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Post by The Sonar Chicken on Feb 7, 2008 2:39:35 GMT
Yeah, it's mainly the politics and a few other mature themes. For once when they say adult they don't mean 'teen idea of adult' - or not as much as usual, at least... If they aren't hitting you it's coz you're on Easy and close to the start of the game, I'd say. Once you leave the castle things get a little harder... Aha... gotcha. Hmmm... I'd restart the game and try a harder mode but... mehz, I found the fortress kinda dull. There were no secrets to find, just a bunch of huge, empty rooms to wander around in with the occasional loot. CDProjeckt ought to have included the option of switching difficulty mode. Plus Geralt tends to unsheathe his sword all the time. @#$@#$ I now get into the habit of pressing Q to sheathe the sword when he isn't talking.
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Post by Elliot Kane on Feb 7, 2008 2:50:24 GMT
Fortress IS dull. It's the learning level is why. Game gets a lot better once you are out of it.
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Post by The Sonar Chicken on Feb 7, 2008 21:41:21 GMT
Fortress IS dull. It's the learning level is why. Game gets a lot better once you are out of it. Hmmm... that old fogey, btw... what's his name... the oldest Witcher? He's kinda cool. Too bad he probably won't be around much. Just started The Witcher. Whoa for it being able to run on a 7300GT although it lags sometimes. I'd have upgraded the card but... given there're so few new and system intensive games I'm interested in atm, nah... If you haven't already, I'd reccommend you TURN OFF "Field of View" graphical setting to get it to run better. For most people, turning that off fixed ALL their problems. And it's not like the game looks much better w/ it on, either. A little, yes -- but not much; especially not to sacrifice a very good amount of frames per sec. Turning that off basically DOUBLES most people's framerates, on the average. And you'll probably want that off w/ a lower-end vid card, since you WILL need every frame when you get later on into intense areas w/ lots of people and special effects happening in outdoors areas -- such as The Trade Quarter AND Old Vizima. Oh yeah... i've turned off Depth of view and also set everything at low.
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Post by The Sonar Chicken on Feb 7, 2008 21:50:30 GMT
Oh and direction-wise, the maps for this game are pretty suspect. While I appreciate the architectural layout, I feel it'd be better for a game like Thief and an in-game map like the one in DD would be better suited for a game like The Witcher.
But maybe that's 'cos I haven't encountered the rest of the game yet. I've been busy as of late and am still in the boring demo level.
Edit: Just encountered the so-called cutscenes before I'd to shut down the game. They're kinda pretty but also annoying. You literally can't do anything to exit them and it's like being stuck within a prison.
Edit #2: Also, music is all right. It's not anything memorable but it does set the mood. And the so-called intro/ending scenes to the chapters: technically, they were impressive but there was poor use of music and lighting. They definitely were below par the game intro scene which was far more extravagant. And the voice-acting for the actors/actresses were technically good but lacking in terms of emotions.
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Post by The Sonar Chicken on Feb 9, 2008 10:25:31 GMT
Hmmm... there's now a bit of a problem. There's this quest about some merchant whose friend vanished in the cave. Problem: there seem to be 2 caves. I suspect Cave A, which is nearer to Abigial's hut is connected to Cave B. So I've been trying to use the Aard sign to clear the stones in Cave A but... no deal? ;; Or is Cave A a dead end? If it is, then I suspect Cave B can be entered via another bridge or something... *sighs* It beats me why the devs didn't have a gate installed with the fences or something since the game didn't allow you to climb over fences. Edit: Nevermind. Managed to get into the cave but ended up defeating monsters without remembering to get book about specific monster. @#$@#$
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Post by The Sonar Chicken on Feb 10, 2008 13:23:21 GMT
Btw... is it just me or do the people in this game remind me of modern society? I'm sure we've all seen our fair share of folks who tried to rip you off, ignored you, baited you and so on?
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Post by mysterd on Feb 10, 2008 13:56:22 GMT
Btw... is it just me or do the people in this game remind me of modern society? I'm sure we've all seen our fair share of folks who tried to rip you off, ignored you, baited you and so on? Witcher is based off of the series of books by Andrzej Sapkowski. From what I know, Andrzej wrote the series in a medieval setting, but didn't want the story to be written and spoken in anything that is medieval language -- especially since it's a fantasy. Hence why you see a load of modern day style of speech and heavily usage of cuss-words thrown in for good measure. So, yes -- it's supposed to have that modern-language and modern-world feel, even though it is stuck in a medieval setting. There's a bunch of in-jokes thrown in for good measure, too -- such as the Patrick DeWeyze character is supposed to be a poke at Patrick Swayze. And such as the boxer in the inn that is a poke at Andrew Golotta.
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