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Post by Elliot Kane on Jul 13, 2005 2:04:39 GMT
Newsarama have interviews with Frank Miller and Jim LeeI gotta say, I'm looking forward to this more than ever
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Post by Gray Lensman on Jul 13, 2005 2:08:07 GMT
Yeah, it looks like it'll be a good series. As a Nightwing fan, I'm really interested to see how Miller handles early Robin. I'm intrigued by what Miller has been saying here. Also good to see a more villainous Catwoman again. The Bat/Cat relationship is always fun.
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Post by Elliot Kane on Jul 13, 2005 2:14:05 GMT
Agreed. Looks like Robin is going to be a whole lot more than 'The Kid Sidekick' this time round
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Post by philster on Jul 13, 2005 9:02:31 GMT
I'll be looking forward to this one too. Jim Lee and Frank Miller, I mean, gosh.
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Post by eric3000 on Jul 13, 2005 18:45:53 GMT
Bump, it's out today
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Post by The Spider on Jul 13, 2005 23:47:07 GMT
I got it today. Spoilers ahead...
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Was all right but I wasn't too keen on one change...
Instead of getting murdered as the rope breaks, the Graysons are just shot after their performance is about finished. I'm guessing this is supposed to parallel Bruce Wayne's parents moreso, but it seems to be a bit mundane in comparsion to the original.
Still though, this doesn't exactly contradict DKR, Year One, or even DKSA and SPAWN/BATMAN, to my recollection.
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Post by Gray Lensman on Jul 14, 2005 2:42:20 GMT
So far, I'm enjoying this. This is a story that's been told before numerous times. Most notably in Year Three and Dark Victory. The basic elements are usually intact, so I figure you can pick and choose your favorite Nightwing origin. Still, I can't say the manner of the Graysons' deaths really bothered me that much. I look at All-Star Batman as a continuation of Year One anyway. Nothing to say it necessarily doesn't fit into DCU continuity. Or it can just be another piece of the DKR universe. Depends on how the reader wants to look at it. It's a good start. Miller has some good ideas here. I like the idea that Bruce had considered training Dick Grayson all along. Also interesting to see Vicki Vale, since I'm not sure I've ever seen her in a Bat-comic, but she comes off well. I can't say this is the finest Batman story Miller has ever told, but it's a good enough beginning. I'm along for the ride so far.
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Post by The Spider on Jul 14, 2005 3:22:00 GMT
Vicki Vale was created in the 40's according to en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicki_Vale . I don't think they've used her since the early 90's. Also, I couldn't tell: Did Batman ram the Batmobile through the cop car in the second to last page?
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Post by hector on Jul 14, 2005 4:21:27 GMT
That makes two of us Spider. It is an important point for me, as it's the difference between the Batman we all know and a vigilante with casual disregards towards human (even if it's criminal) life.
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Post by Gray Lensman on Jul 14, 2005 4:22:26 GMT
I'd heard of her. Mainly from the first Burton film. (Though Vicki Vale from the film was modeled at least partially on Silver St. Cloud, from what I hear.) Just found it odd that she's been so rarely used. Still, Miller's made good use of her so far. Yeah, the Batmobile rammed the car. A nice, dramatic last-minute entrance. Edit: I don't think anyone was actually in the car, best as I could tell. So might be no one died at all.
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Post by The Spider on Jul 14, 2005 4:57:21 GMT
That makes two of us Spider. It is an important point for me, as it's the difference between the Batman we all know and a vigilante with casual disregards towards human (even if it's criminal) life. That's one of the reasons for me, and the other reason is if this would fit in with Year One and Dark Knight series, Batman would seriously HURT people, but wouldn't really kill them (i.e. DARK KNIGHT RETURNS where he came close to killing Joker but refused). That car ramming thing could kill some people inside. On the other hand Batman covered up a car in DKR causing the perps to crash through a brick wall.
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Post by hector on Jul 14, 2005 6:47:29 GMT
I'd heard of her. Mainly from the first Burton film. (Though Vicki Vale from the film was modeled at least partially on Silver St. Cloud, from what I hear.) Just found it odd that she's been so rarely used. Still, Miller's made good use of her so far. Miller probbaly used her because it's recognizable to non-fans, as to why Burton used her in 89, well, that's a mystery. Vicki was never much besides a cheap Lois Lane knockoff who wasn't that popular to begin with, she had already been mostly displaced by Kathy Kane before Julie dropped her. Probably we'll see her too, Miller seems to want to fulfill his 'babes, babes, babes' promise... Ther art isn't quite clear, but the last time we saw the crooked cops they were getting into the car.
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Post by eric3000 on Jul 14, 2005 14:38:37 GMT
I thought it was great. Vicky Vale was hot. You could feel the excitement of Dick flying through the air. I wanted to be taht kid on the trapese. I looved the change in POVs.
The only thing I did not like, was the lame batmobile. Yeah, that bat hood ornament is gonna strike fear into criminals.
And I did think he ripped through the cop car, but it would just injure teh cops (who were in the car) not kill them. Batman wouldn't kill, even Miller's batman
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Post by The Spider on Jul 14, 2005 22:39:04 GMT
The only thing I did not like, was the lame batmobile. Yeah, that bat hood ornament is gonna strike fear into criminals. I think it was rather appropriate since Miller's Batman is a hardened version of the old 50's design, and since this is early on in Batman's career this could be the first vehicle he uses before he starts deciding on things like the tank. Coincidentally, I found the BATMAN issue where they introduced Tim Drake's costume for the first time, and Vicki Vale was in it, so yeah, she was there during the early 90's up to Pre-Knightfall.
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Post by The Spider on Jul 15, 2005 1:18:47 GMT
Oh, and did anyone notice on the cover and the final page, while Batman's still wearing the black and grey costume (with ovalless bat) his belt's the standard pre-Miller Batman comic version? YEAR ONE and DARK KNIGHT had the pouch belt, SPAWN/BATMAN had the standard belt.
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Post by The Spider on Jul 15, 2005 3:40:02 GMT
It just occured to me while I was writing on HR... If Dick Grayson's parents were killed in a different way, then could it be very likely that the story of Jason Todd would be different? All we know from DKR is that something happened to Jason to cause Batman to retire. (and theoretically, this universe might not have a Tim Drake, even)
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Post by Duncan on Jul 17, 2005 19:04:21 GMT
Hummm. I thought it was pretty dull to be honest.
Accessible and glam, I guess, but not enormously compelling. Guess I'll try #2 but the coat's on a 'shoogly peg' as we say here.
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Post by Elliot Kane on Jul 25, 2005 14:54:14 GMT
I really liked it. I thought it was a great introduction to Miller's take on Batman, and it'll be interesting to see where he goes with it. There's obviously a deeper mystery behind what we are seeing, and I am definitely looking forward to seeing the layers slowly peeled back.
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Post by Duncan on Jul 26, 2005 19:26:38 GMT
I'd prefer it be quicker. I have to do this: I thought it was great. Vicky Vale was hot. You could feel the excitement of Dick flying through the air. I'm so very sorry. I have the mind of a twelve year old.
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Post by Elliot Kane on Jul 26, 2005 20:12:36 GMT
ROFL! I'm laughing like a twelve year old myself, right now ;D
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