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Post by Ubereil on Jul 9, 2007 20:05:26 GMT
I'm thinking of something in between 1976 (the departure of Peter Gabriel) and the time they went 100 % mainstream (a year or two into the 80's I think). Have only heard the singles from this time, and it's usually not the best songs that determines if a record is good or not, it's how good the middle/bad songs of the record is, and this is where I thought you'd might help me out. I tend to see complicated songstructures as something good (there are few three cord structures that works, so most of them have been used allready). But I acually do like their poppy songs (even though they're neither original nor very challenging), and Genesis in general have a very nice sence for good melodies. I'm a bit turned of by Peter Gabriels mindless/pointless lyrics though, Phil Collins (if he's acually writeing the lyrics, which I think) is way better when it comes to that. I'm currentlly listening to My Last Words by Megadeth by the way. The base is magnificent . Übereil
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Post by Alrik on Jul 9, 2007 21:52:01 GMT
Uh, oh, I see you've got a LOT to learn about Genesis ...
Then "A Trick of the Tail" and "Wuind & Wuthering" shopuld be your candidates.
The thing about Genesis is, that this is basicalla a band's work. The lyrics are written by EVERY member on different songs. "Land of Confusion" was done by Mike Rutherford, for example, and "Afterglow" by Tony Banks.
The earlier works are more complex oriented, more into writing the pieces themselves instead of performing them, more art, instead of "easy listening". Real art.
The lyrics appear "mindless" to you because they are full of word -games, symbolism and sometimes surrealism, things I see you cannot perceive.
The Battle of Epping Forest for example is based ion a real street gang fight, about which Peter couldn't find the newspaper articles anymore, and thus he invented his own "gang-fight", complete with different people acting within it. The Firth Of Fith is sounding rather like a kind of legend than a real story, and this element of mystery, mysticism and the draw towards ancoient cultures is always there. The Fiountain of Salmacis is badsed on a real ancient Greel legend, whereas Get 'em out by Friday is just a drama about "cash cash cash" within the house-renting industry with a certain "twist". Can-Utility and the Coastliners is based on anoither, different legend.
This element of art goes away within the years after the departure of Peter Gabriel. The songs become more "reality-oriented", no more art, but rather jamming. The songs are no more the result of complex compositions made by the band, but instead the result of jamming of the band. It's a totally different approach.
The worst album for you would be The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway, because from what you've writrten above I expect that you wouldn't understand a single word. This album is SO full with word-games, surrealistig scenes, symbolism and such stuff that I had massive problems with understanding the album when I was a rather late ) teenager. Yet the music was was intrigued me, then.
Nowadays, what they do is just a weak echo from more glorious times, an echo of the "art music" they once did, and you can hear it mostly in the longer songs, best in "Driving The Last Spike" and in "Fading lights". And, of course "Calling All Stations" is their way back to the roots - and ith "roots" I do mean the years around 1967-1969 !
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Post by Ubereil on Jul 9, 2007 23:24:27 GMT
I didn't say I didn't understand it, just that I didn't like it...
Well, first of all, I've never been interested enough of the lyrics in their early works to acually find out what they're really singing (I usually find out lyrics by reading them, especially lyrics in english). My prime interest when it comes to music is the music though, the lyrics comes second hand. So, in most cases of their early work, I don't really know what they're singing about. And I don't really care, because what I do know doesn't make sence... Because they use a lot of wordgames, symbolism and surrealism... They might be good lyrics in themselves, but they don't really tell me anything because of the unconventional they describe things. They're too cryptical to just catch like that, and since I haven't spent much time with them, I don't really understand them. I understand their later lyrics better, and therefore I like them better.
And the fact that I don't really understand the lyrics of their earlier works doesn't mean that I don't like their music. Quite the opposite, in fact, but I was planning on starting with something "easier", hence I wanted to start out slightlly after Peter Gabriel left the band, since they've seemed to have "lighten up" after he left (from what I've heard in their music).
On a sidenote: according to the Wikipedia article on Genesis, it was mostlly Peter Gabriel who worked on the lyrics early on (especially on The Lamds Lies Down on Brodway, where he according to wiki wasn't very involved with the music at all, and because of that he wasn't working with the band very much, which ultimatelly was what caused his departure).
Übereil
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Post by Alrik on Jul 10, 2007 16:01:24 GMT
In fact, The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway, ALL lyrics have been written by PG, and the MUSIC came from the band.
Before that, it's even hard to distinguish for fans who did what.
Horizons, for example, although credited as a band's work, was mainly the work of Steve Hackett.
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Post by Elliot Kane on Jul 10, 2007 16:20:10 GMT
Skye Sweetnam. A lot She's easily my favourite female singer right now
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Post by Ubereil on Jul 10, 2007 16:39:08 GMT
In fact, The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway, ALL lyrics have been written by PG, and the MUSIC came from the band. Before that, it's even hard to distinguish for fans who did what. Horizons, for example, although credited as a band's work, was mainly the work of Steve Hackett. I see. At least I was right (kind of) about The Lambs Lies Down on Brodway . A Tick of the Tail. By Genesis. Übereil
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Post by Alrik on Jul 11, 2007 12:13:33 GMT
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Post by peterh on Jul 24, 2007 19:56:28 GMT
Daughtry - Over you
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Post by peterh on Jul 24, 2007 20:09:49 GMT
Nirvana - Smells like teen spirit. Offspring - Self esteem.. Oh, the music of my youth
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Post by Galadriel on Jul 24, 2007 20:47:26 GMT
I was listening to my collection of rock and pop, from Justin Timberlake to Aerosmith, Rolling Stones to Black Eyed Peas, Cranberries to The Dubliners. Volume open and rock that baby!
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Post by Elliot Kane on Jul 24, 2007 20:49:42 GMT
Who Made Who by AC/DC. Great tune from a great band
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Post by Ubereil on Jul 24, 2007 21:19:05 GMT
Anna Ternheim. Swedish singer/songwriter. Have currentlly come to the acoustic verisions of her songs on her debut album. She's pretty good, especially lyricwise.
Übereil
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Post by cleglaw on Jul 26, 2007 5:08:49 GMT
Lagrimas Negras--an old standard Latin tune--at the moment by Conjunto Cespedes.
I actually have a playlist on my computer with nothing but different versions of Lagrimas Negras, but Bobi Cespedes is my favorite.
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Post by rockergrl on Aug 4, 2007 15:43:10 GMT
No One by Aly & AJ (only song that usually helps lift me up when I'm down, so I need it today)
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Post by mobbie on Aug 4, 2007 20:27:38 GMT
are ya feeling down Rocka? I'm listening tooooo... one hell of a mixture... xP 70 minute long music-video with only 10-30 sec videos.
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Post by Elliot Kane on Aug 5, 2007 16:32:47 GMT
Shenandoah by Hayley Westenra.
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Post by Galadriel on Aug 5, 2007 16:38:26 GMT
"Relax" from Mika
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Post by Ubereil on Aug 5, 2007 17:57:04 GMT
A Question of Time - Depeche Mode
Übereil
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Post by Alrik on Aug 6, 2007 10:00:54 GMT
What I meant to say by the Bangles
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Post by Galadriel on Aug 6, 2007 10:43:49 GMT
"Fairytale gone bad" from Sunrise Avenue (acoustic version)
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