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Post by peterh on Mar 5, 2007 18:26:40 GMT
@ Pete -> i was pretty shocked when i saw in on the news late last nite. i really hope things will get better soon. the way i see it, there must be something more than just that house which inflamed the youths with anger. the house may be only a catalyst to the inner turmoil or discontent they have. not quite sure what it is. need more data. You saw this on your news? I am surprised it's reached that far. Well, a lot of it is a political fight too. Those extreme left wingers hate our government with a passion and they see this as the latest example to Nazify Denmark. The legal owners is a wacko christian sect (which I dislike as much as I dislike the anarchists - I hate extremists) so they theorise that our current government sold the house as premature part of a larger cleansing that will eventually lead to holocaust like scenarios. This is, of course, absolute [Censored] Our prime minster has even spoken of less religioin in public forums and the city counsil who sold the house works unaffected by our government and was (and still is) ruled by Social Demokratiet that is the large center-left party in Denmark and in the opposition to the current government. So the things are unrelated but these people refuse to face facts. Everything opposed to them is an amalgam of a USA/Nazi fascist movement. But deep down this is still a fight for the house. It's well liked by the youths - not so much by neighbours - and they seriously expect to behave like they want to. Remember, this is a mix of anarchists who don't believe in rules, communist wannabees who think the people should decide everything and wanker hanger ons who look up to the latter groups. And, sadly, their parents allow this to happen. I read an interview with the mother of a 13 year old girl who staunchily supported her daughter throwing bricks and molotov cocktails in the fight against opression and fascism. The mother is adamant that rioting is freedom of expression and thereby supported by the law. And tonight a rioter was interviewed in tv and when asked if he would continue to use violence he dodged the question and instead snarkily theorised that of course it's kinda sad if you lose a new car, bike or was assaulted - but people needed to see the broader picture (implying they were stupid and obsessed with material goods). When asked again he simply said he couldn't decide now but thought it was damn good when people used whatever method they wanted.
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Post by peterh on Mar 5, 2007 18:28:27 GMT
The latest news is that after a quiet day in Denmark with like only 5 arrests, a sympathy demonstration in Oslo, Norway at the Danish Embassy proved to be more dramatic. 150 youth turned up and threw bricks, bottles and more and the police had to use tear gas...
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Post by Galadriel on Mar 5, 2007 18:38:47 GMT
I'm glad the protests are dying out now, maybe there will be one or two more smaller riots, but the peace wil return soon. I'm glad no one died during the uproar.
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Post by peterh on Mar 5, 2007 18:43:04 GMT
I'm glad the protests are dying out now, maybe there will be one or two more smaller riots, but the peace wil return soon. I'm glad no one died during the uproar. Actually they'll probably begin again next weekend. I don't think we've heard the last of this.. edit: latest news. the demolition company has become a victim of harrasment. they've got some cars destroyed, tires cut up, acid thrown in the car itself and the company have recieved threats - both over phone, email and the workers in person.
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Post by janggut on Mar 6, 2007 1:20:21 GMT
isn't that sad or just sadder? the youths may have right to voice their discontent but they're being irrational by being overtly violent in expression. all they have garnered are contempt & condemnation from almost everyone but some of their selectively blind parents.
Take, if you want a slice If you want a piece If it feels alright
Break, if you like the sound If it gets you up If it brings you down
Share, if it makes you sleep If it sets you free If it helps you breathe
Don't come over here And piss on my gate Save it just keep it Off my wave
Cry, if you want to cry If it helps you see If it clears your eyes
Hate, if you want to hate If it keeps you safe If it makes you brave
Pray, if you want to pray If you like to kneel If you like to lay
Don't come over here And piss on my gate Save it just keep it Off my wave
Keep it off my wave
(Chris Cornell)
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Post by Nero the Glorious on Mar 6, 2007 21:24:16 GMT
Denmark is having a rough time lately it seems what with the cartoons and then this non-sense...extremists on both sides...the PC police...sigh...new idea, insert previously mentioned watercannons...or tear gas grenades, up spchincters and enjoy the show...
Ok and dont call me fascist! ;D
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Post by Galadriel on Mar 7, 2007 19:27:11 GMT
Lovely poem Janggut, it says it all *hug*
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Post by mobbie on Mar 8, 2007 1:27:52 GMT
Pete a lot has been written in newspaper here in sweden about what's been going on in denmark, it seems sick =/ Doesn't denmark have an effective police-army cooperation? Here in sweden, if a civil uproar ever gets out of control the military is there in no time and restores the peace.
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Post by Elliot Kane on Mar 8, 2007 21:08:37 GMT
Just came across this, Peter. It's in Danish so I don't understand word one, but it seems to be related: Link
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Post by mobbie on Mar 8, 2007 21:32:03 GMT
Yup that's related, but i'd rather read 1000 japanese books than one word of danish
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Post by peterh on Mar 8, 2007 21:38:11 GMT
It's the very website for Ungdomshuset. There's also an english version. Read it here. It's basically a pr site for the cause. I see absolutely no mention of throwing molotov cocktails, setting off bombs, vandalising stores, schools and trying to burn down a kindergarten. But there's a lof of mention of police brutality.. I have mostly skimmed the site but read it for yourself and have in mind other, more reliable media sources, can disprove a lot of this [Censored]
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Post by kuja on Mar 14, 2007 21:16:01 GMT
Copenhagen is a scary place!!
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Post by mette on Jun 20, 2007 11:50:11 GMT
They just mentioned a little about it on our news at 10. Seems they didn't even had the rights on that house, it was just an empty house that they broke into and stayed there for a while. Unbelieveable how much those "youth" think that something they claimed as theirs, is in their heads also theirs to fight for! That's not quite true. In 1981 and 1982, there were a lot of people who would squat anything to get a youth house. In October 1982, the city gave "the youth of Copenhagen" the house, or, well, the rights to use to house. There was a contract, which the city broke. The contract was later broken by the youth, because they let people sleep in the house. In 1997, the city suddenly made a new contract saying that the youth could be thrown out with 3 months notice, but that the city had to find and finance a new house. This was actually against the original contract, which was unchangeable. In 1999, the city put the house up for sale. The youth hang a banner on the house saying "For sale, including 500 stonethrowin, autonomous violent psychopaths". Of course this was a joke, but some people didn't quite get it. Surprisingly, an unknown company called Human A/S couldn't resist the great offer. They bought the house. In 2000, the extremely right-winged Christian sect, Faderhuset, bought the right to Human A/S. Two months later, the Faderhuset broke into the house, armed with canned goods and crosses. They were thrown out and one day they just stopped coming. Even following the 1997 contract, they couldn't have thrown the youth out, since they'd only had the rights to the house for two months. The case was taken the court and it was decided that the Faderhuset had the rights to the house. The Faderhuset asked the police to evict the house. On December 16th 2006, the first real riots broke out. More than 7 years since the city put the house up for sale had passed. If the youth really wanted to fight, they'd have done it a hell lot earlier. The house was evicted on March 1st and hell broke loose. After March 3rd, everything went quiet again. The demolition of the house began on March 5th and was completed two days later. In the 1960's it was actually decided that the house couldn't be demolised, due to its historic value. In Denmark, it is in fact illegal to sell a house that someone else has the rights to use, except if you make sure that they won't get thrown out. The city didn't even have a reason to sell the house back in 1999, except the fact that they could make some money. I don't get why we couldn't just stay. It wasn't just a house, it was our second home. It meant everything to some people. There were concerts, a soup kitchen, circusses, threatre and much, much more. It wasn't just 50 anarchist plotting riots. My English teacher could have been pogo'ing in the house every Saturday. It was a place where everyone could get in. There were a few rules to secure that everyone were equal in the house, but that's it. It was the only place in Copenhagen where everyone were equal. Why should that be destroyed to make space for a rascist and heterosexist brainwashing sect?
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Post by peterh on Jun 20, 2007 14:14:39 GMT
That's not quite true. In 1981 and 1982, there were a lot of people who would squat anything to get a youth house. In October 1982, the city gave "the youth of Copenhagen" the house, or, well, the rights to use to house. There was a contract, which the city broke. The contract was later broken by the youth, because they let people sleep in the house. In 1997, the city suddenly made a new contract saying that the youth could be thrown out with 3 months notice, but that the city had to find and finance a new house. This was actually against the original contract, which was unchangeable. Hey Mette. I see we're probably going to disagree in this but that's okay. A healthy discussion is always good Anyway, there's one point of error, at least citing every source I've read so far. The city of copenhagen did indeed offer the youths a contract to use the house as their earlier offer was refused. The youths back then was offered the house for free but declined due to ideological views against owning private property. The 1997 contract did legally replace the original oral contract which was apparently breached on levels other than letting underage sleep in the house. I have two links to sources that are in Danish so no one except mette will understand squat. It can be found here and here. One of the sources also has a print of he city's decision why the shouldn't be held accountable of buying a new house. Anyway, a question to satisfy my curiosity. How long have you been attending the youth house The house was evicted on March 1st and hell broke loose. After March 3rd, everything went quiet again. The demolition of the house began on March 5th and was completed two days later. In the 1960's it was actually decided that the house couldn't be demolised, due to its historic value. In Denmark, it is in fact illegal to sell a house that someone else has the rights to use, except if you make sure that they won't get thrown out. The city didn't even have a reason to sell the house back in 1999, except the fact that they could make some money. I don't get why we couldn't just stay. It wasn't just a house, it was our second home. It meant everything to some people. There were concerts, a soup kitchen, circusses, threatre and much, much more. It wasn't just 50 anarchist plotting riots. My English teacher could have been pogo'ing in the house every Saturday. It was a place where everyone could get in. There were a few rules to secure that everyone were equal in the house, but that's it. It was the only place in Copenhagen where everyone were equal. Why should that be destroyed to make space for a rascist and heterosexist brainwashing sect? First off, let me say that I am not a supporter of Faderhuset either. I find that particular religious sect and it's views quite appaling, to be honest. Secondly, the reason for selling the house had been the numerous breaches described which included, as far as I have read at least, selling alcohol to minors, being a nuisance to the neighbours, having people sleeping reguarly and various other things. Furthermore a ground rule for the contract was to allow people from the municipality access to the premises to check up if contract was followed - and they were apparently dismissed many times. These things, all in all, prompted the city to sell the house as contracts had been breached. Since this is a youth house and not supposed to be a regular home, the municipality decided that the it was impossible to maintain a youth house that followed the rules of a contract and thereby freed them of buying a replacement house. But the whole decision can be read in the links. Now, as to the youth house being a place for everybody I would like to know if there's any truth in the accusations from several people that they were denied entry due to their political views? Would it be okay for people who voted Venstre (current political party in power) or maybe even those voting the right wing Dansk Folkeparti?
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Post by Mea Culpa on Jun 20, 2007 17:32:59 GMT
hmmm you know what really scares me... the Bader-Meinhoff gang started like that in their infancy
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Post by mette on Jun 20, 2007 20:17:32 GMT
PeterH - The first time I ever was in Ungdomshuset was back in August. I went there a few times in August and September, but then I stopped going for a while. I used to go there with a friend, who was admitted to the psychiatric ward and was very upset that she couldn't go. It just felt wrong being there, plus I got really busy. I started coming there again in February. I was supposed to have been there on February 28th, but something else came in the way. Ironically I thought "Whatever, I'm just gonna go there tomorrow, it's not like it's gonna get evicted".
I don't think anyone voting for either Vestre or DF would be denied entry at the door. But anyone who broke the five rules, would definitely be thrown out (No hard drugs, no violence, no racism, no sexism and no heterosexism). If a person said "Hey, get me a beer, B*tch", (s)he'd get thrown out for sure, no matter if they were an anarchist or liberalist.
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