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Post by Shan on Sept 23, 2005 20:22:08 GMT
Phil I'm glad you like him. And I love what you did with him. Shan
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Post by philster on Sept 23, 2005 21:23:11 GMT
Jags, Inane just released their version of 275, in case you can't wait for Shannaro's version. It's not bad, but I still expect to like Shannaro's better. Still it's definitely better than the low quality versions and the RAW. tinyurl.com/cqrqrI guess Inane is trying to make up for lost time.
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Post by Shan on Sept 24, 2005 4:25:02 GMT
Jags, Inane just released their version of 275, in case you can't wait for Shannaro's version. It's not bad, but I still expect to like Shannaro's better. Still it's definitely better than the low quality versions and the RAW. tinyurl.com/cqrqrI guess Inane is trying to make up for lost time. Download it and read it Jags. Like Phil said it isn't a bad at all. Will be nice to see what Shannaro does with it when theirs comes out though. The do seem to put out better quality. Shan
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Post by Shan on Sept 24, 2005 4:28:10 GMT
hahahaaha!!! that's so cool! Shan, u really are incredible! will only try to get the new chapters next week. so this weekend, i'l ltry to think back & give retrospective comments on Naruto so far. in short - it's still very good with all that cliff-hanging though i doubt cliff enjoys it so much. ;D Glad you like my Naruto micro Jags. Phil's been so sweet that I just had to give him something. I will be anxiously awaiting your chapter comments. Shan
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Post by Shan on Sept 24, 2005 5:21:38 GMT
My comments to Phil's Chapter 277 comments
I love .rar. ;D
I'm really glad you finally got it downloaded. Hope you aren't to disappointed that I got it downloaded without a problem. ;D
Phil: 1. Nice Kakashi cover, more good stuff for the colorists to work on. (But I WAS hoping for a Zetsu cover, ah well.) Hurry, colorists, so I can use it as an alternative avatar. [image]
Me: Kakashi did look cool. When the scan came out, I thought one of the colored pics was pretty good. (first I think ) Will be interesting to see if Shannaro has some better ones.
I was more impressed with this cover than I have been some of the recent ones.
Phil: 2. Naruto's definitely going Kyuubified-berserk in the early goings of this chapter. I guess being convinced that Gaara's dead just blew his mind. Boy, you can really feel the fury. It's drawn well for the most part, but there WAS one panel in particular that confused me momentarily, where Naruto's clones seemed to just throw Deidara to the ground (page 3) and I had thought all the Narutos had gone down with him, but there was still one in the air about to strike.
Me: I must say this one surprised me. I never expected Naruto to go Kyuubifired-beserk as you put it. I knew Naruto felt a kinship to Gaara, but I never knew he felt that close/tied to him.
There were several confusing parts in here to me that I never did figure out exactly what was happening (basically all of page 3 ) and then Naruto is fight in one instance and sitting next to Kakashi in another. I have no idea what that was suppose to mean.
Phil: 3. Somebody wondered how Deidara could have used the art of substitution to exchange himself for a body of clay. I don't really know myself, but I suspect it must have happened while Naruto was examining Gaara's body. Though Naruto's other clones should have noticed Deidara doing something, so, hmm. Maybe Deidara actually did it while he fell from the bird.
Me: Could he have done it before the fight even started, because wouldn't he have needed his arms or at least one of them to do it? Is it possible he could have done something similar to himself like what Sasori did to himself? My guess is that we will probably never find out when he did it.
Phil: 4. And then Naruto truly becomes Kyuubified, and man, does he start to look evil. This is the reminder we all needed - that there is a demon inside Naruto, and he's no saint. I had thought that maybe over these last 2 and a half years, the Kyuubi and Naruto might have merged, but looks like it's not happening. The Kyuubi definitely still has a consciousness inside Naruto, and I think it's starting to affect Naruto in much the same way the Ichibi/Shukaku did Gaara two years and a half ago. Yes, the seal is weakening even more. How long before the seal totally breaks and Naruto is consumed?
Me: He sure didn't look like a saint when the demon started showing himself.
The demon could very well be starting to affect Naruot. There does seem to have been a definite change in Naruto especially since he heard about Gaara. If the seal breaks does Naruto become the demon? Is he lost forever and will the 4th Hokage's effort have been in vain? Lots to think about here.
Phil: 5. Well, I guess that's what Jiraiya's warning to Naruto was all about. I wonder if Jiraiya was just warning him not to draw on the powers of the Kyuubi, because over the years Jiraiya realized it was becoming too much for Naruto to control. Good thing Kakashi was alert enough to stop it from getting too far.
Me: I say it was a good thing that Jiraiya gave Kakashi what he did that would cause a halt to the demon immediately. It looked as if the demon was emerging pretty fast.
Phil: 6. How did Chiyo and Sakura get there so fast? o__o Well, I guess Deidara, Kakashi, and Naruto actually didn't go too far. A bit of a plot hole, but that's okay. I can suspend my beliefs. It looks as though Chiyo's "one last thing to do" is indeed to resurrect Gaara, maybe?
Me: I don't think we are suppose to think about how fast Sakura and Chiyo showed up. OK, we assume that by them showing up where Kakashi and Naruto are that Chiyo's one last thing has something to do with one of them and Gaara is a good guess.
Phil: 7. And so Gai team also gets their fight over with. I kind of wish we had gotten a more detailed account of how they did it, but I suppose it'll make good filler episodes for the anime. In any case, it was neat to have them arrive like the "cavalry" here, so to speak.
Me: OK, this chapter leaves you wondering just what happened with Gai and his team. So they won, but what happened? How did they do it? This is kinda a hole in the story to me. I would liked to have seen at least the ending to their battle. Evidently Kishimoto feels like he has taken this part of the story on for to long.
It was good to see Gai and his team, but I didn't get the thrill from them showing up like I did when the Sand showed up to help the Leaf. I think it was because I've had a very hard time following this chapter.
Phil: 8. Somebody said that Deidara sure is athletic for a guy without two arms to get away from Ten-Ten's missile weapons, and Gai, Lee, and Neji's flurry of attacks. I have to say they're pretty right. It all leads me to think this must be another bunshin of some sort...
Me: I have no idea what is going on with Deidara in this chapter. No arms, but yet he is still fighting. He should be bleeding to death. Honestly I don't see how he was even able to fight without arms.
9. So did Deidara really explode himself up? Some think he did, some think he didn't. I'm undecided, but I lean towards the "not." It must be another clay bunshin, it's kind of like how Kabuto fooled Kakashi in the hospital. Still, if Deidara really did explode himself up, I'm sure it's how he'd have liked to go out anyway, with a bang. (Speaking of which, Herminator mentioned this must be a nod to Toriyama's DragonballZ story where the villain Cell also blows himself up, since Kishimoto is a well-known fan. I have to admit there is a definite resemblance, but don't forget, Cell also resurrected himself, too. There must be more to this than we think.)
Me: I still have my doubts. Kishimoto seems to be getting rid of Deidara to easily. For some reason I still don't think we have seen the last of him. I'm still waiting for the unexpected.
Phil: 10. Well, I just have to say here, this was one mind-blowing chapter. It became fast-paced all of a sudden, and there's so much to talk about as a result of it. Best chapter in a while we've had, especially action-wise.
Me: Mind blowing chapter, yes. I can't even find mine right now. It is somewhere trying to figure out what was happening on certain pages. I guess it was a good chapter. Everybody seems to think so. I was glad to see Chiyo and Sakura show up and Gai's team, so the chapter did have some good points for me too.This post is now edited and finished. I think. ;D Also, Phil, I need several pages explained or at least parts of them. Shan
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Post by philster on Sept 24, 2005 7:38:10 GMT
Well...
( Shan: Could he have done it before the fight even started, because wouldn't he have needed his arms or at least one of them to do it? Is it possible he could have done something similar to himself like what Sasori did to himself? My guess is that we will probably never find out when he did it. )
... Actually if you look at Deidara in this chapter when he was looking at Naruto growing two tails, a little blood trickled from his lip, and he's thinking "So that's why his hit is so powerful... un" so that tells me the original Deidara DID get sucker-punched by Naruto. So Deidara must have pulled a Gaara on Naruto ( remember when Rock Lee was punching Gaara up into the air and Gaara found an opening to get away, leaving a "sand duplicate" in his place, Deidara must've done the same only with a clay bunshin. ) That's what I think anyway - Kishimoto just didn't show us this time.
I've got to admit, despite the excitement of the past chapters, Kishimoto's leaving himself wide open for a few plot inconsistences. In some cases, it's just as well like Sakura and Chiyo's speed in getting over there quick, so the story doesn't drag on too much but in others, it's kinda disorienting to a little degree. But I'll forgive him. =)
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Post by Shan on Sept 26, 2005 3:44:23 GMT
Disorienting to a little degree, you gotta be kidding. How about disorienting to a great degree. ;D I got lost on page 3 and lost even more on page 5 and stayed lost. A few things here and there made sense, but most of it was very confusing for me. Oh, I'll forgive Kishimoto for losing me if Phil will bail me out. Pleeeeeeeease, Phil. You know how actions scenes confuse me. Shan
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Post by philster on Sept 26, 2005 8:26:04 GMT
Well, it certainly looks as though as Kishimoto still has some problems with making his action scenes make sense at times. From what I can figure, page 3 > Naruto, the original, lets his four bunshin grab Deidara from four angles to throw him to the ground forcibly, while the original lands on him. Then he keeps punching throughout page 4 to page 5. On Page 5, Kishimoto shows us one of Naruto's bunshin supporting Kakashi, who is clearly worn out from his Mangekyou usage. Then it switches back to the original Naruto and his bunshin conjuring a Rasengan about to strike Deidara with it. Hope that helps. Gee I wonder when we will see Sasuke again. Oh there he is.
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Post by philster on Sept 26, 2005 8:30:18 GMT
Kind of off-topic, but what the heck...
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Post by Shan on Sept 26, 2005 19:45:32 GMT
Cool new avatar, Phil. ;D He looks like he is ready to eat me. Great job. Shan
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Post by janggut on Sept 27, 2005 3:51:56 GMT
ok i have read 277. some parts were a bit confusing but after revising the frames, i kind of get it somehow. ;D
turns out that our boy Naruto is relying too much on the red chakra to remain stable & himself.
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Post by Shan on Sept 27, 2005 3:55:49 GMT
Thanks Phil. It did help. On Page 5, Kishimoto shows us one of Naruto's bunshin supporting Kakashi, who is clearly worn out from his Mangekyou usage.
How did you know that it was one of Naruto's bunshin instead of the real Naruto? I looked at the page again and I still don't understand how you knew.
Am I the only one who has trouble following most of the fight scenes? It seems so easy for you, but I seem like I get lost most of the time. Do you have any advice that might help me?Shan
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Post by Shan on Sept 27, 2005 3:58:07 GMT
Hi Jags, glad you finally caught up with us. I stayed confused throughout the whole chapter. Phil usually has to bail me out when there are alot of fight scenes. I get lost pretty easy. Shan
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Post by janggut on Sept 27, 2005 4:25:19 GMT
Shan, my guess is that it can go either way. i'm talking about the clones.
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Post by philster on Sept 27, 2005 6:14:13 GMT
Well, I assumed it was a fake because I can't believe one of the clones would become Kyuubified instead of the original. The real Naruto must have snuck up on Deidara and he was the one who delivered the blow to his jaw at the end of the last chapter. Then he created four bunshin around him and you know the rest.
I get confused too with Kishimoto's action at times. I guess re-reading is my only advice and remember what's going on in other places as well, not just the currently spotlighted scene.
And my experience of reading comics since I was a kid probably helped me.
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Post by janggut on Sept 28, 2005 2:41:15 GMT
so far the story's getting tighter & tighter with hidden leaf facing off with the shadow organisation.
phil, remember when i said that the anime has extra story which the manga hasn't? well i checked & yes, there's this story (more of a side-dish, i guess but it helps in explaining/developing certain things) in between Chuunin's Final Exam event & Sasuke's big decision.
from the progress of my brother's anime-watching, i think there's more in the anime than manga. it may be that Kishimoto has better idea for Naruto in anime form after he's done with it in manga. if George Lucas can go back to the old Star Wars films & 'refine' them, why can't Kishimoto but with anime instead of taking apart the manga? good call.
edit: man, i miss Sarah. hope she will come back soon enough so we can discuss about RK. i'm up to volume 10 now.
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Post by philster on Sept 29, 2005 2:24:56 GMT
Yeah, I've seen some of the anime and I know what you're talking about. They're called fillers. Right now the anime is going thru a lot of fillers because they're trying to give Kishimoto more time to do more new stories before they pick up back where they left off.
And I miss Sarah too. She's leading a very busy life right now, though.
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Post by philster on Sept 29, 2005 2:35:14 GMT
Oh, by the way, Kishimoto has absolutely nothing to do with the anime. Other than possibly having a hand in deciding what studio would make it, but other than that, nothing. The only connection is it's based on his manga and characters.
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Post by janggut on Sept 29, 2005 5:24:25 GMT
well that's typical. i know RK has the same treatment with the author of the manga having minimal input (as he has very little time to go over the process with the animation studio).
same can be said of Ghost In The Shell anime - both movies & series which are loosely based on the manga but has their own spin/story/style, which i find is refreshing as they're unique in their own ways.
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Post by philster on Sept 29, 2005 8:16:39 GMT
I think Watsuki actually has had more involvement with the anime adaptation of his Rurouni Kenshin manga than most manga creators, but that's not saying much.
In volume 16 Watsuki actually took a scene right out of the first opening sequence to the anime and put it in his manga to fill an very important scene. I guess he was pretty happy with how the anime was going, huh.
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