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Post by janggut on Sept 29, 2005 10:31:04 GMT
maybe he's more accepting of the fact that studios need creative room to adapt the manga to anime form but even more so he's very open to ideas from studio staff.
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Post by philster on Sept 30, 2005 1:32:08 GMT
278 out. Very poor quality RAWs right now, though, but I'll keep an eye out for a better scanalation. You can download a scanalation here (it's rar ) at s39.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=24OZXT0B8TGDO3GTDQYHR2WE1K ( I was able to read it with my CD Display program I just installed. ) Anyway, here's my comments: This chapter felt more like an epilogue to the storyarc than anything else, I'm sure next chapter will feel much the same.
Well... I shouldn't post comments this early, especially without seeing a better version of the RAW, but here goes. But it was a rather simple chapter so I'll just keep this one to five comments instead of my usual ten. Hopefully coming chapters will be a bit more complicated than this one was.
1. Well, I guess a Gaara cover would have to come eventually. 2. I hate to say it, but this power of Kakashi's to send something to a different dimension/space seems a little "far out" for a story like this. Still, I prefer it over the "Temari saving everybody with her fan" theory because there's no way Kankurou and Temari should be able to get there in time. Ah well, in any case, hasta la vista, Deidara. That's one unlucky Akatsuki, for sure. 3. Ah... I guess Naruto was holding a little hope out for Sakura to heal Gaara. I guess after seeing Sakura heal Kankurou, Naruto already came to accept Sakura's healing powers to be something else. 4. Naruto's outburst, I guess, was to be expected, at the confirmation of Gaara's death by Sakura. But I didn't realize Kishimoto would make such a big scene out of Naruto condemning Chiyo for putting the Ichibi into Gaara. It's sort of... I hate to say... uber-bratty of him to do. 5. Not that we didn't know she was going to do it, but I almost felt kind of sympathetic for Chiyo-baa at this point. She just got bashed by a kid for something she did in the past, it's almost like she was pressured into giving her life to Gaara. Eh well. At least she was already planning on doing it.
Overall I can't say I liked this chapter very much. Though it's good to know Gaara will be OK, it's kind of a hefty price because I did fall in love with Chiyo as a character myself.
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Post by janggut on Sept 30, 2005 2:19:33 GMT
hey where's that spoiler tag gone to? just as i was about to type my comments plus plus, i don't see it there. edit: ok, never mind. i get it already. -> Deidara's suicide is a bit of a letdown. in the past chapters, he has been resourceful but suddenly he went fatalistic. lame for an Akatsuki.
as for Kakashi being able to do some space-time shift, is his Mangekyou Sharingan somehow surpasses that of Itachi? what Itachi did to Kakashi back in Konoha was sort of ultimate & unavoidable illusion, yet Kakashi was able to do more than just illusory.
about Naruto being mad at Chiyo for what happened to Gaara, well it's very understandable & realistic even though bratty. after all, he's still a teenager with lots of room to grow.
i hope Kishimoto will do a bit of backtrack on Kakashi's Sharingan upgrade if & when he faces Itachi in person.
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Post by philster on Sept 30, 2005 3:58:59 GMT
Glad you figured it out Jags ;D Jags: Deidara's suicide is a bit of a letdown. in the past chapters, he has been resourceful but suddenly he went fatalistic. lame for an Akatsuki.>> Agreed. I much prefer Sasori's death. Still, somebody pointed out that it was pretty poetic that Sasori, whose mission was to be everlasting, would have a dragged-out battle, while Deidara who reveled in spontaneosity would blow up instead. Jags: as for Kakashi being able to do some space-time shift, is his Mangekyou Sharingan somehow surpasses that of Itachi? what Itachi did to Kakashi back in Konoha was sort of ultimate & unavoidable illusion, yet Kakashi was able to do more than just illusory.>> You got me there. Somebody suggested it might have been inspired by the Fourth Hokage's jutsu, of how Yondaime was able to teleport around using his scroll tags as markers. He was able to jump from space to space. In the same way, Kakashi's MS might work that way too. I sure wonder how it works though. I guess it's something we'll find out later in the series.Jags: about Naruto being mad at Chiyo for what happened to Gaara, well it's very understandable & realistic even though bratty. after all, he's still a teenager with lots of room to grow.>> True, but I still think he seemed a little too immature at that age. But most people agree with you.
Hopefully Sariachan doesn't mind, but I'm gonna re-post something she said today at NarutoForums about that scene.
sadness and sorrow...yes, it was playing in my head too, while reading this chapter. Did you know how much I waited for this to happen? Naruto and Gaara are my favourite characters, I can only be happy to see their relationship grow stronger than before.
Anyway, I don't know if what Naruto feels for Gaara is friendship or kinship, but one thing is sure: he just put him at Sasuke's levels among the people he cares about. That's great!
I can't wait to see this scene in the anime...
By the way, as I said in a old Gaara's fate thread, Gaara needs to be alive or Naruto's character would be too much depressed from the fact that he failed twice in a row. Poor Naruto, he says he failed, without understand that he actually won...he won when he maneged to make Gaara understand his mistakes and then change. After that, Gaara become Kazekage and he he finally had some people who cared for him...or that saw his will to protect the village, at least. Or do you think that Chiyo would have given her life to save him if he hadn't become a worthy Kazekage? I don't think that. Furthermore, Naruto's speech imho impressed Chiyo, and that led to the events in this chapter.
Anyway, I love Naruto when he is so emotional, and his new conflicts are really interesting, they really fit his age, since he isn't a child anymore.Jags: i hope Kishimoto will do a bit of backtrack on Kakashi's Sharingan upgrade if & when he faces Itachi in person. >> definitely agreed there. I wouldn't mind another Kakashi Gaiden
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Post by janggut on Sept 30, 2005 6:14:50 GMT
i'm sure Sariachan doesn't mind so long as u give her credit. -> i agree to almost everything she said excepth the part where Gaara shouldn't die so Naruto won't be so broken. the way Naruto sees it, he has already fail eventhough Chiyo may be able to revive him at her own expense. it isn't him who saved Gaara, rather Chiyo. he will still be broken.
but such shock to the system may not be that all bad as Naruto being Naruto, wild-spirited as he is (not to be mistaken with Kyuubi), this event will help in building his character.
as for the level of care Naruto has for Gaara in the same level as Sasuke, well what i can say is that it can also be for selfish reasons, which Naruto may not even realise. what he may care about is saving them, not them. very fine line there but it can be very true. not to talk badly of anyone's fav character but i hope for my theory to be true so Naruto has a darker character which may mean more interesting characterisation as he grows older.
we'll see in the future chapters, if Kishimoto made Naruto reflect back on the event & regret not being able to save Gaara despite that he is already saved (assuming that Chiyo succeeded), then he has a darker shade in his character already. but then it depends on Kishimoto to bank on that.
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Post by philster on Sept 30, 2005 6:50:59 GMT
Well, somebody said at NF that it's surprising to see Naruto actually show "despair" for the first time (since he had that talk with Hinata before his match with Neji, anyway), he's always been so unwilling to admit defeat. That is interesting in itself, but I suppose he'll feel like he's accomplished something when Gaara lives again.
But y'know what, if somebody HAS to sacrifice their life to bring Gaara back, why did it have to be Chiyo? She was so cool. Ah, well.Oh, btw. Yesterday our loveable Shan did a Sakura too, so here's Team 7 all together (with the exception of sensei Kakashi, which she's working on right now)
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Post by Shan on Sept 30, 2005 21:39:09 GMT
Hey Phil, do you think Sariachan would mind you posting her Sakura here too. I would love to see what she did with it. Also if she is working on a Kakashi, I would like to see it too if it is OK with her. Her artwork is so good that I am really curious as to how they turned out. I bet they are lots better than mine. Has she done Naruto and Sasuke yet? Shan
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Post by philster on Sept 30, 2005 22:57:44 GMT
I'm sorry Shan, I made a typo, I meant to say YOU were making these :blush:
*Edits post*
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Post by Shan on Oct 3, 2005 0:33:51 GMT
I'm sorry Shan, I made a typo, I meant to say YOU were making these :blush: *Edits post* What Phil made a typo. That's hard to believe. ;D No micros by Sariachan. * shan grins mischieviously at phil and says maybe i'll let you make your own next time. * Shan
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Post by Shan on Oct 3, 2005 1:10:13 GMT
OK, I admit these last two chapters have really thrown me. One the biggest disappointments to me is the fact that there has been very little dialogue to them. Personally it would have helped me alot if Kishimoto had brought the story back to Naruto and Kakashi and Deidara with more dialogue. I think it would have made it easier for me to have picked up with them again. I'm not sure if it has been because of what has taken place or because of the way he brought us back to the story, but I have been a little disappointed in them. Shan
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Post by Shan on Oct 3, 2005 1:58:13 GMT
Thoughts on Chapter 278. Spoiler: I know the previous chapter prepared us for Deidara exploding himslef, but I was still a little disappointed when it happened. I guess I was just expecting more from one of the Akastsuki than suicide. I guess he was expecting to take all of them out with him and that would have made his death meaningful.
Oops, Kakashi messes up his plan but good and shocks everyone with a new Sharigan power. My biggest question here is how did Kakashi become so powerful all of sudden. In the last chapter he blows off Deidara's arm and now he sends him and his explosion to another area away from them. What kind of power is this? Where did he learn it? Is he now more powerful than Itachi? What will this kind of power do to Kakashi? Oh, and how long do all the Naruto's hang around?
Doesn't Naruto know he is a Jinchuuriki also? I thought he had found out that he had a demon sealed inside him a long time ago. So everyone becomes emotional at this point even Kakashi. Naruto kinda loses it and starts blaming himself. In a way the outburst by him seems strange, because I had never thought of him being that close to Gaara, but on the other hand maybe it isn't so strange. Naruto has always, in his own way, cared and wanted to help. He wants to be Hokage some day and take care of his village. Maybe this is where his emotion is coming from his feeling of uselessness.
Now for the part I want but don't want. I really want to see Gaara live again. I liked his character especially after he started discovering himself. I don't want to see Chiyo die though. I liked her character from the start and I've grown more fond of her as she and Sakura fought Sasori.
Why can't they both live? There has to be some way to save her too. Kishimoto, don't kill her off. Not a really good chapter for me, but leaves hope that the next one will be better or make me mad. Shan
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Post by Shan on Oct 3, 2005 2:54:37 GMT
Chapter 278 -- Shan's comments to Phil's comments. Phil: 1. Well, I guess a Gaara cover would have to come eventually.
Me: And why not? He's a great character. Why did Kisihimoto have to wait until he was dead to do it though. Is this cover a memorial to Gaara? ;D
Phil: 2. I hate to say it, but this power of Kakashi's to send something to a different dimension/space seems a little "far out" for a story like this. Still, I prefer it over the "Temari saving everybody with her fan" theory because there's no way Kankurou and Temari should be able to get there in time. Ah well, in any case, hasta la vista, Deidara. That's one unlucky Akatsuki, for sure.
Me: Far out, true. Just doesn't seem to fit to well here. Makes me wonder though if Kishimoto was trying to make up for ending the fight with Deidara so quickly by adding something truly amazing and unexpected by Kakashi.
Ah, come on, Temari and her fan are cool. Seriously either way would have seemed a little far out to me because like you said how could they have possibly have gotten there in time.
Would you say that Deidara went out with a bang? ;D
Phil: 3. Ah... I guess Naruto was holding a little hope out for Sakura to heal Gaara. I guess after seeing Sakura heal Kankurou, Naruto already came to accept Sakura's healing powers to be something else.
Me: I honestly don't know what Naruto could have expected from Sakura at this point. Maybe he was hoping that she could heal him, but I think it was more a question than hope. I think he was asking her if Gaara was really dead.
Phil: 4. Naruto's outburst, I guess, was to be expected, at the confirmation of Gaara's death by Sakura. But I didn't realize Kishimoto would make such a big scene out of Naruto condemning Chiyo for putting the Ichibi into Gaara. It's sort of... I hate to say... uber-bratty of him to do.
Me: That part didn't make sense to me either. I think it was over done. Sure Naruto has been a brat before, but I had never thought of him as being that big of one. I think Kishimoto over played it here teen or no teen.
Phil: 5. Not that we didn't know she was going to do it, but I almost felt kind of sympathetic for Chiyo-baa at this point. She just got bashed by a kid for something she did in the past, it's almost like she was pressured into giving her life to Gaara. Eh well. At least she was already planning on doing it.
Me: I felt sorry for Chiyo being attacked like that just when she was probably going to tell him that she could save Gaara. Sure she had been the one to seal the demon in Gaara but who says she wasn't kinda forced to. Wasn't it his dad's decision for it to be done?
Phil: Overall I can't say I liked this chapter very much. Though it's good to know Gaara will be OK, it's kind of a hefty price because I did fall in love with Chiyo as a character myself.
Me: I wasn't really impressed with this chapter. but like I said I have kinda been lost since we have been back with Naruto and Kakashi. I like the idea of Gaara living again since he has become a favorite character of mine, but I am torn because I love Chiyo and I don't want to see her die even though it will mean Gaara will live again. Why couldn't Kishimoto have found a way to save both of them. I guess right now I am hoping the next chapter will be better than the last two. Shan
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Post by janggut on Oct 3, 2005 3:49:58 GMT
hmm... good thing Shan didn't make any comments about my comments. ;D *don't think she'll like it if she reads it*
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Post by Shan on Oct 3, 2005 3:57:18 GMT
oh, don't worry, jags. i just haven't gotten around to your yet. i will though. ;D i just can't pass up an opportunity like that. ;D shan
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Post by janggut on Oct 3, 2005 4:50:07 GMT
*slaps forehead* dang! i should've shut up. ;D
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Post by Shan on Oct 3, 2005 5:12:15 GMT
OK, I couldn't let Jags feel left out, so I've just got to comment on his comments. ;D Jags: Deidara's suicide is a bit of a letdown. in the past chapters, he has been resourceful but suddenly he went fatalistic. lame for an Akatsuki.
Me: Deidara's suicide was a big letdown for me. I never expected Kishimoto to get rid of him this way. I was expecting alot bigger fight. Maybe he thought he would make up for ending it so quickly by making Deidara sort of a suicide bomber. (hoping he would take out Naruto and the rest with himself) I think it left him looking pretty weak for an Akastsuki.
Jags: as for Kakashi being able to do some space-time shift, is his Mangekyou Sharingan somehow surpasses that of Itachi? what Itachi did to Kakashi back in Konoha was sort of ultimate & unavoidable illusion, yet Kakashi was able to do more than just illusory.
Me: This being able to move someone to another area using the Sharingan is kinda strange to me. The question is how was Kakashi able to learn how to do this? Did he teach himself? If so, then how did he know that it was possible. There are so many unanswered questions right now. Has he become more powerful than Itachi or does Itachi have powers that we have not seen? Just how powerful is Itachi? Things yet to be answered.
Jags: about Naruto being mad at Chiyo for what happened to Gaara, well it's very understandable & realistic even though bratty. after all, he's still a teenager with lots of room to grow.
Me: Is it understandable? I don't think it is, at least for me it isn't. I think Naruto is feeling very useless right now, because he could not stop Sasuke like he had promised Sakura he would and he could not prevent Gaara's death.
Jags: as for the level of care Naruto has for Gaara in the same level as Sasuke, well what i can say is that it can also be for selfish reasons, which Naruto may not even realise. what he may care about is saving them, not them. very fine line there but it can be very true. not to talk badly of anyone's fav character but i hope for my theory to be true so Naruto has a darker character which may mean more interesting characterisation as he grows older.
Me: I'm not sure which way I would call this one. Remember Naruto wants to be Hokage one day and take care of his whole village. This could be the type of care that he is feeling for Sasuke and Gaara. Although I think his promise to Sakura plays a big part in him wanting to save Sasuke so badly.
As he said he had been training very hard for 3 years with high hopes and to see all those hopes tumbling in on him had to be very hard. Down deep he could be feeling that if he could help Sasuke and Gaara then how could he expect to take care of his village.
I really think Kishimoto over played the brat part though.
Jags: i hope Kishimoto will do a bit of backtrack on Kakashi's Sharingan upgrade if & when he faces Itachi in person.
Me: Let's hope he does. The way it stands now, all of this with the Sharingan just adds more confusion for me. OK, Jags, do you dare read it? ;D Shan
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Post by janggut on Oct 3, 2005 5:41:51 GMT
yes i dare myself after some help from Shark & his strong drinks. ;D
as for brattiness, well let's remember that he has no proper childhood with parental guidance & all. plus his dreams of being the big chief of the village is what i feel, initially to be something to show to all that were against him (which in his eyes would be almost all the villagers) that he isn't as useless & unwanted as how they made him feel to be.
now that he's older, he would've put more thought into that dream but in such situation where his primal urges (release of anger) come out, he can easily revert to his old self (may be hidden even from himself). plus the pressure he puts on himself to be better for his friends, he may end up being a liability though he may have the power of nine tails.
with nine tails' power leaking out of him like that, i wonder if he has the same problem as the first person he wanted to save but couldn't? u know .... the limitation of the seals. so in the end it depends on the willpower of the 'container' to hold all that is within.
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Post by philster on Oct 3, 2005 22:07:22 GMT
Not much time here, but I just wanted to comment on Deidara. >> Don't forget that he did take out Gaara, so he wasn't weak. He just got injured in the progress. Even though he didn't even seem to really let it bother him, losing an arm can't have helped him in the long run. And then two arms.
I still think there's a possibility Deidara may have deceived the others again with a bunshin of some sort exploding instead of his real self. But even if it HAD been the real Deidara that exploded and got disintegrated, you can't say he really had a chance in this fight without either one of his arms.
And to be honest, I kind of appreciate the realism of that. In real life, if you catch somebody off-guard and injured, it's pretty tough for them to be able to use all their tricks.
Honestly, I think Sasori was the real show in this storyline. Deidara was just a minor companion. I think that's the same way it will probably be with the rest of the Akatsuki pairs too - one powerful member, the other being kind of a support character. Kisame to Itachi, for example, Kisame has never really struck me as a bright bulb either.
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Post by janggut on Oct 4, 2005 4:24:21 GMT
u may be right in that. never thought of it. hehehe.... Shan did that Kakashi? it's so him with that book. hahaha!!
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Post by philster on Oct 4, 2005 7:46:13 GMT
Yep, she did a great job, didn't she? Note Naruto's expression has changed too! ;D
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