Selfimage Honesty

[Elliot Kane]

I suspect a lot of it will come down to 'right = ideal version of ourselves'.

[Glance A'Lot]

Incidentally, yesterday there was a feature on TV on the 'Venus Code', in which an English (?) professor claimed that he can mathematically define what we perceive as beauty, and that it relates to a ratio of 1:1.6xxx in the bodily features. A ratio which is found in the structure of our DNA.

The feature tested the mathematical formula against a human jury, and the results of mathematical determination and the jury's perception was identical.

IF the professor is correct, then there is natural beauty.

[Elliot Kane]

Sue sounds like it might be so... If so much of our ideals were not demonstrably cultural

But, I suppose it's feasible some people might be considered beautiful in any culture. Perhaps. From the neck down, at least...

[Ubereil]

You haven't heard of the Fibonacci serie before? Or the golden ratio?

Übereil

[fughawzi]

May 13, 2009 9:22:02 GMT kitty said:

When I walk on the streets, most (90%) of all females and males I meet, I consider overweight. A fair few of them are not. They are in the famous healthy BMI range but for my honest selfmade image, they are "too much to love".

My healthconcious, culturally and etiquettetrained mind disagrees, of course.
I look at those size 8 (US) women and know instinctivly that this is a healthy weight (let´s say we talking average 5"5/1,68m female, aged from 13 to 30).

But if I´d be honest, I´d say they are overweight.

Kitty, people who have such severe reactions like that usually have a tendency towards eating disorders. It can just be a mindset for you currently, but please watch out in the future.

I have the same problem, which I really don't understand because I honestly don't think most of it. Stuff will pop in my head and leave me wondering where it came from.. I try not to be so severe since I know there a lots of illnesses that cause weight problems which can't be seen. I know a lot of overweight people are so because they don't exercise or eat right, but that is definitely not always the case. People who have fast metabolisms now (Teenagers) but eat total crap tend to bother me more since they're the ones who will end up severely sick and obese later in life, for the most part. They never learned to eat properly. How can you not eat fruit or vegetables?

I often wear clothing that I know is unflattering because it's baggy, but I do that because all I overheard growing up was that women who don't look like supermodels look gross in tight clothing. So I tend not to judge clothing all too much, mostly noticing what I like more than what I don't. I'd agree and say most people wear really dull clothing and it just blends together for me. I hope to wear clothes I actually like when I feel more comfortable.

Other than my random knee jerk reactions, I tend to like people who have really interesting faces. The kind that you discover new things about them every time you see them. I don't like bleached blonde hair, it is a really big turn off for me. If someone doesn't have a nice voice, I have a really hard time being around them.

I'm sorry for my weird posts. I'm only really strong pain killers and I might not make any sense. I probably didn't even respond in the right way there..

And I probably shouldn't be reading this thread, haha.

[Elliot Kane]

Makes perfect sense to me

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Ube - I've heard of it, it just doesn't always work in practise. Not least because a lot of beauty is in the face.

[kitty]

@ fughawzi - thanks for the post and for the warning. Though I don´t need it. I always cnsidered myself as having a "natural ED", I was never able to eat 3 meals a day or at certain times and I always had strong opinions about ther peoples and my own weight. Though my kind of ED isn´t ever killing me - it just makes me curse that restaurants don´t open at 3 am

I can´t believe that it´s possible that someone can be considered beautifull in different cultures.
When I see someone with totally different features than I have, I can say they are pretty "for being _____ (put in culture/gender)" but overall, don´t we all compare beautz to ourselfs? And if that´s so, is it possible to have somebody fitting ALL cultural and personal opinions about beauty? Don´t seem like it to me.

PS: painkiller suck :/

[Elliot Kane]

You'd be stunned at how much of it is cultural, Kit. The current obsession with skeletal models shared by much of the media and pushed by the fashion industry has created a culture where far too many young women feel intense pressure to look like that because they assume that's 'beauty'.

Ask most men if they'd prefer Kate Moss or Katherine Heigl, though, and poor Kate would be a very lonely girl... ;D

[kitty]

To that I must (oh how new ;D) disagree.

It seems a biological thing but when one has a personal taste for slenderness, one only attractes men (and women) with the same liking. No men (or women hehe) I ever was interested in liked Heigl over Moss. All were "I don´t want huge boobs and bulky hips - I want slender, lean figures" types of people.

So it seems bodytaste is detactable through bothside attraction?! DNA perhaps? Same cultural background?

(oh the bad english.. sorry for that)

[Elliot Kane]

Really?!? Good grief! While I tend to prefer athletic builds myself, Kate Moss is FAR too thin and boyish. I'd take Kath Heigl over her any day! Heigl is gorgeous, Moss isn't even pretty.

But then - VERY different tastes, indeed!

[kitty]

Ye I give you that. But - not wanting to be too personal - are you yourself in the normal weight range or are you one of the few very skinny natural ectomorphs who have trouble building muscles but no trouble building a beerbelly?

I found that the men (and women) I´m sexually attracted to are equally ectomorphic as me and they are attracted to me because of the same idea. That could be funny accidents of course but I doubt it.

Again a good experiment...

[Elliot Kane]

I am naturally slim and even after doing body building, all I got to was 'slim with muscles'. I'm never gonna be huge. I only really started getting a belly in my 30s and it's not very big now. I AM finally in the 'ideal weight' range rather than a stone or two under.

So even the famed and horrible 'middle age spread' ain't all that spready, with me ;D

May well be one of your ectomorphs, but more likely a close cousin.

(And how utterly gross to be skinny but with a beer belly!)

[fughawzi]

May 21, 2009 15:22:02 GMT Elliot Kane said:

And how utterly gross to be skinny but with a beer belly!)

I don't know, I think it sounds funny. I wouldn't stop poking their tummy, though.

But I'm weird.

[kitty]

Lol Ash... ;D

if you can develop a certain belly, you aint an ectomorph Eli - but that´s cool, you are too far away anyway ;P

[Elliot Kane]

No offence Kit, but you aren't even vaguely my type even if I wasn't

[fughawzi]

So is that what people do, compare beauty to themselves? God, I don't understand what is normal at all. I've never done that. And I tend to do the whole culture doesn't play a big role in it thing, if someone is pretty to me then they're pretty, no matter where they are from. I guess everything just boils down to personal taste, huh?

But back to the skinny man with beer belly, we could draw pictures on it with sharpie and then force them to giggle like the Pillsbury dough boy! Maybe not the last part though because he scares me. I'm not sure why I mentioned him, I might have nightmares.

[kitty]

May 22, 2009 11:32:41 GMT Elliot Kane said:

No offence Kit, but you aren't even vaguely my type even if I wasn't

Lol! That´s deffo cool with me Eli

[fughawzi]

You two are so funny with each other.

[Elliot Kane]

Kit & I disagree on almost everything! It's great! We never, ever, run out of things to argue about! ;D

[Glance A'Lot]

Well, you are in agreement that you are not each other's type!

In which Elliot is better off than me...